No such thing as 0

[williamp]

Just been to the garage to count how many Aston Vanquish S I have there. The answer is 0. I counted them twice, just to be sure.

Also, there is literally and very accurately 0% chance Amanda Lamb will be sleeping with me tonight.

[rxtx]

Einion Yrth said:

In debug code it's usually 0x0c0c0c0c;, oddly when programmers at our shop don't guard properly I'm seeing 0x000000018
I have no idea why.

What? 0x0c0c0c0c is decimal 202116108. What is this "debug code"?

[deeen]

williamp said:

Just been to the garage to count how many Aston Vanquish S I have there. The answer is 0. I counted them twice, just to be sure.

Also, there is literally and very accurately 0% chance Amanda Lamb will be sleeping with me tonight.

Well...

If there are an infinite number of alternate universes, each of those things will be happening, somewhere.

Also, you have proved the concept of different sized infinities, because in a lower but still infinite number of them, both things will be happening.

So there is a chance, however vanishingly small, that it will be this one.

So although I believe in zero, in your examples, the chance is not zero.

HTH.

[underwhelmist]

rxtx said:

What? 0x0c0c0c0c is decimal 202116108. What is this "debug code"?

Error codes should be either 0x0BADF00D or 0xDEADBEEF. common sense, innit?

[Cold]

Got any Os?

[hondafanatic]

Cold said:

Got any Os?

[AndStilliRise]

All I am saying is that 0 is not nothing. 0 is something. It may be less than 1 but it is more than nothing.

[2gins]

Come off it OP you mad bd, even bees believe in 0.

Will post link when sober but you can find it, not that long ago BBC I think

[Moonhawk]

AndStilliRise said:

However if 0 is nothing then why don't we use this instead?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0#Modern_usage

"There are different words used for the number or concept of zero depending on the context. For the simple notion of lacking, the words nothing and none are often used. "

Therefore 0 and 'nothing' can be used interchangeably - but 0 uses less ink

[Einion Yrth]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Compiled in debug mode, It's a visual studio thing rather than GCC and the like, has meta-data that allows symbolic debugging (something which GCC etc, will also do) also has a startup stub that fills the heap with recognisable and constant data. HTH.

[thebraketester]

hondafanatic said:

Cold said:

Got any Os?

[K12beano]

Butter Face said:

0 is nothing, if you have 0 of something then you have none of it.

I’m not having none of it.....


Er

[williamp]

deeen said:

Well...

If there are an infinite number of alternate universes, each of those things will be happening, somewhere.

Also, you have proved the concept of different sized infinities, because in a lower but still infinite number of them, both things will be happening.

So there is a chance, however vanishingly small, that it will be this one.

So although I believe in zero, in your examples, the chance is not zero.

HTH.

Thats only IF there are an infinite number of alternate universes: an abstract concept if ever there was one, no doubt conjored up by bored scientists hoping that somewhere, somehow they will lead a more exciitng life then they currently do.

I can confirm no Amanda Lambing took place in my bed last night. I have been to count the number of Vanqui' in the garage yet as our non-existant swimming pool is being drained and their lorry isnt blocking the way. I'll count them later

[4x4Tyke]

AndStilliRise said:

It has occurred to me that there is no such thing as 0. You can't have 0 of something as that would imply that 0 is more than nothing. However if 0 is nothing then why don't we use this instead? Using a computer or programming would be much easier dealing with two states rather than 3.

Would anyone agree with me? Or have I got this wrong (possible but not probable)?

Your knowledge of programming is very shallow. What values would you assign to a single bit?

Off = ?
On = ?

[4x4Tyke]

Purity14 said:

Null

Null != 0

[Hoofy]

AndStilliRise said:

All I am saying is that 0 is not nothing. 0 is something. It may be less than 1 but it is more than nothing.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Zero.html

[Moonhawk]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Indeed, null is the state that exists before you ask the question "how many are there"

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 15th October 10:30

[Vipers]

When the girlfriend missed her period she said "O st".

I don't think the O meant nothing . So just maybe it is something after all.

[Hilts]

I think you'll have trouble with √(−1) !

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Dr Jekyll said:

It makes calculations easier.

This.

Roman numerals have no zero, trying doing maths with roman numerals.

The Hindus invented zero, the great Islamic scholars refined its use, and when it arrived in Europe, the catholic church banned it for 200 years because they didn't want the people to be able to do sums and realise that the church was fleecing them.