Lift buttons and jews
Discussion
Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.
A bit of levity
Hymie ( generic Jewish name!!) jheard a noise downstairs one night.
He crept down and disturbed a burglar in the kitchen
The burglar opened the cutlery drawer and took out something to defend himself, and advanced towards Hymie in a threatening manner
Hymie was horrified
'No, No ' he shouted 'Not with the diary knife'
Hymie ( generic Jewish name!!) jheard a noise downstairs one night.
He crept down and disturbed a burglar in the kitchen
The burglar opened the cutlery drawer and took out something to defend himself, and advanced towards Hymie in a threatening manner
Hymie was horrified
'No, No ' he shouted 'Not with the diary knife'
silverfoxcc said:
A bit of levity
Hymie ( generic Jewish name!!) jheard a noise downstairs one night.
He crept down and disturbed a burglar in the kitchen
The burglar opened the cutlery drawer and took out something to defend himself, and advanced towards Hymie in a threatening manner
Hymie was horrified
'No, No ' he shouted 'Not with the diary knife'
Hymie ( generic Jewish name!!) jheard a noise downstairs one night.
He crept down and disturbed a burglar in the kitchen
The burglar opened the cutlery drawer and took out something to defend himself, and advanced towards Hymie in a threatening manner
Hymie was horrified
'No, No ' he shouted 'Not with the diary knife'
Maurice (another generic...) the Kosher butcher was riding home on his bicycle when he was knocked off it by Jacob the taxi driver. Racked with guilt, Jacob leaps from his cab and rolls his jacket up as a pillow for Maurice's head.
"Are you comfortable?" asks Jacob
"I make a living" was the reply.
loafer123 said:
TBSC said:
My fridge freezer has a Sabbath mode. Not sure what it does as I have never switched it on.
It switches off the light that is otherwise left on when you close the door... 
Even better than Beyonce dancing to Thomas the Tank Engine.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.Lord Marylebone said:
I don't know how to feel about this.
I despise religion of any form and generally refuse to pander to any of it. I believe it is a terrible curse on the world and to a certain extent, a form of mental illness. I think that indoctrination of children into a religion is verging on abuse.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better. Each generation that passes becomes less religious, so we are heading in the right direction.
I tend to keep my opinions to myself in 'real life', and don't discuss my atheism to many people in person, however I will quietly refuse to have anything to do with religion.
So, I would be really quite annoyed if a stranger expected me to assist them with their utterly ridiculous religious antics, such as the lift button scenario mentioned.
But on the other hand... I'm a relatively polite and helpful person, so I would probably have felt quite bad if I had refused to assist a fellow human.
I'm conflicted.
Just to add on the Jewish/Race issue: I am friends with a family who are allegedly Jewish, but they don't observe any Jewish traditions or 'rules', and I jokingly told them they weren't really Jewish one day. The daughter said "Of course we are Jewish, we've got big noses, curly dark hair and are called Bernstein. What on earth do you think we are if we aren't Jewish?"
Which naturally left me even more confused.
I've been reading my way through this thread this morning and was going to post something more or less identical to this.I despise religion of any form and generally refuse to pander to any of it. I believe it is a terrible curse on the world and to a certain extent, a form of mental illness. I think that indoctrination of children into a religion is verging on abuse.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better. Each generation that passes becomes less religious, so we are heading in the right direction.
I tend to keep my opinions to myself in 'real life', and don't discuss my atheism to many people in person, however I will quietly refuse to have anything to do with religion.
So, I would be really quite annoyed if a stranger expected me to assist them with their utterly ridiculous religious antics, such as the lift button scenario mentioned.
But on the other hand... I'm a relatively polite and helpful person, so I would probably have felt quite bad if I had refused to assist a fellow human.
I'm conflicted.
Just to add on the Jewish/Race issue: I am friends with a family who are allegedly Jewish, but they don't observe any Jewish traditions or 'rules', and I jokingly told them they weren't really Jewish one day. The daughter said "Of course we are Jewish, we've got big noses, curly dark hair and are called Bernstein. What on earth do you think we are if we aren't Jewish?"
Which naturally left me even more confused.
A (previously self declared atheist) friend of mine recently had his daughter christened. I vacillated over whether I was going to attend or not, but ended up caving in and going. I've wondered several times since whether this was me doing the right thing, putting aside my own misgivings to support a good friend, or the wrong thing in not acting in accordance with my conviction that all organised religion is ultimately a pernicious blight on society and the enemy of progressive thought.
Would refusing to push the button actually have strengthened their faith? 'There goes another selfish, judgemental godless heathen, refusing to help his fellow man'. Or... would pushing the button for them elecit a tiny sliver of doubt? 'Hmmm, these godless heathens aren't all bad I suppose, helping us out with our button pressing problem. Maybe it's a shame he's going to be judged by God for it.....'
Mothersruin said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.I wonder if some people are crass enough not to go to church weddings, or refuse to take part in Christmas for the same reason.
"Sorry kids, no presents again this year because Daddy doesn't believe in invisible sky fairies. I'd much rather spend my Sundays listening to V8 engines because that isn't weak minded at all...."
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.I wonder if some people are crass enough not to go to church weddings, or refuse to take part in Christmas for the same reason.
"Sorry kids, no presents again this year because Daddy doesn't believe in invisible sky fairies. I'd much rather spend my Sundays listening to V8 engines because that isn't weak minded at all...."
As I said earlier, if you can't explode their religious reasoning with common sense over something so seemingly inconsequential, then how on earth do you tackle other 'laws' written down in the same books that are exploited by extremists?
Edited by Mothersruin on Sunday 22 October 11:18
Mothersruin said:
I know exactly where you're use coming from but this isn't pointless.
As I said earlier, if you can't explode their religious reasoning with common sense over something so seemingly inconsequential, then how on earth do you tackle other fundamentalism and extremism that's written down in the same books?
So taking that to its logical conclusion do you refuse to celebrate Xmas? Because if you're linking the pressing of a lift button to extremism/fundamentalism then surely that's exactly the same. After all you don't want your kids to grow up extremists do you?As I said earlier, if you can't explode their religious reasoning with common sense over something so seemingly inconsequential, then how on earth do you tackle other fundamentalism and extremism that's written down in the same books?
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
I know exactly where you're use coming from but this isn't pointless.
As I said earlier, if you can't explode their religious reasoning with common sense over something so seemingly inconsequential, then how on earth do you tackle other fundamentalism and extremism that's written down in the same books?
So taking that to its logical conclusion do you refuse to celebrate Xmas? Because if you're linking the pressing of a lift button to extremism/fundamentalism then surely that's exactly the same. After all you don't want your kids to grow up extremists do you?As I said earlier, if you can't explode their religious reasoning with common sense over something so seemingly inconsequential, then how on earth do you tackle other fundamentalism and extremism that's written down in the same books?
I'm not linking it, I'm saying it is it.
Mothersruin said:
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.I wonder if some people are crass enough not to go to church weddings, or refuse to take part in Christmas for the same reason.
"Sorry kids, no presents again this year because Daddy doesn't believe in invisible sky fairies. I'd much rather spend my Sundays listening to V8 engines because that isn't weak minded at all...."
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1140...
Getting someone else to press the lift button does appear to break the (exceptionally complex) ruleset and not fit any of the equally convuluted acceptable exceptions.
(looked up Shabbos Goy as i'd never heard of it before - truly bonkers.)
A jewish mate of mine takes it alk very seriously.
He won't carry house keys on a Friday as thats technology. You wouldnt get him in a lift. He leaves work lunch time Friday so he can get home as he was caught out in the past and had to dump his phone, keys etc in a bush in north london somewhere.
Rest of the week he's pretty normal other than the whole kosha food thing.
Come to think of it. It's all very odd.
He won't carry house keys on a Friday as thats technology. You wouldnt get him in a lift. He leaves work lunch time Friday so he can get home as he was caught out in the past and had to dump his phone, keys etc in a bush in north london somewhere.
Rest of the week he's pretty normal other than the whole kosha food thing.
Come to think of it. It's all very odd.
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Douglas Quaid said:
I pity anyone who has been brainwashed to the point where they feel they can’t push a button as it breaks some kind of law. Very sad.
Quite honestly as strange as I might find it I pity someone who doesn't have the basic humanity to say "Which floor do you want?" more.I wonder if some people are crass enough not to go to church weddings, or refuse to take part in Christmas for the same reason.
"Sorry kids, no presents again this year because Daddy doesn't believe in invisible sky fairies. I'd much rather spend my Sundays listening to V8 engines because that isn't weak minded at all...."
Thank you you put it better than I could.
People are hugely hypocritical about their views on assorted "sky fairies".
Take the religion out of it and it's like I said on page 1 just have some basic human decency and manners if nothing else.
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