Lift buttons and jews

[Colonial]

Bibbs said:

I'd hardly call people taking the piss out of silly beliefs, the same as people cutting and sucking on baby penises due to their belief.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/07/how-11-new-y...

Being a tt about pressing a lift button because it upsets your own beliefs is as stty as imposing your own religious beliefs on others.

It's just being a tt because you feel morally superior. It doesn't actually achieve anything.

I agree with male genital mutilation and that it should be outlawed. But this literally does not harm anyone so why be a dick about it?

[Bibbs]

Colonial said:

Being a tt about pressing a lift button because it upsets your own beliefs is as stty as imposing your own religious beliefs on others.

It's not like they asked him to press the button for them, and he refused.

Their rules, their game .. fair enough if others don't want to play.

And from their rules, it sounds like they were cheating anyway.

[anonymous-user]

How do they switch their pacemaker off on the Sabbath?

Does this mean if someone is dying and they need a medical device like a defrib to save a life they just let them die?

[djc206]

jsf said:

How do they switch their pacemaker off on the Sabbath?

Does this mean if someone is dying and they need a medical device like a defrib to save a life they just let them die?

Anything that's life saving appears to be acceptable so at least that's sensible!

[s6boy]

Colonial said:

Being a tt about pressing a lift button because it upsets your own beliefs is as stty as imposing your own religious beliefs on others.

It's just being a tt because you feel morally superior. It doesn't actually achieve anything.

I agree with male genital mutilation and that it should be outlawed. But this literally does not harm anyone so why be a dick about it?

I think a lot of what you see as being a t**t is in fact peoples reaction to the sheer hypocrisy of most religious 'following'. I don't think there is necessarily any sense of superiority or imposition of other beliefs here.

If you believe in something live by it, and hopefully others will respect you no matter what religion. In this case though the o/p was in a situation with people who wanted to benefit from not having to use the stairs but weren't prepared to operate a lift. If their belief was so strong they should have walked in the first place.

[Johnnytheboy]

Colonial said:

Being a tt about pressing a lift button because it upsets your own beliefs is as stty as imposing your own religious beliefs on others.

It's just being a tt because you feel morally superior. It doesn't actually achieve anything.

I agree with male genital mutilation and that it should be outlawed. But this literally does not harm anyone so why be a dick about it?

So to speak

I'm a convinced atheist, but the "ha ha sky fairies" brigade don't do themselves any favours.

It's not really worth arguing about religion; no one is going to change their mind as a result of a PH thread.

[anonymous-user]

jonnydm said:

A good question; the use of electricity (on Shabbat) was hotly debated back when its use became widespread. Some of the reasons are covered in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabb... and though hard to understand because the majority (of Rabbis) were of the 'no' opinion, that quickly became the accepted practise.

Recent developments in technology such as LEDs, sold state devices have been similarly discussed though more academically as the status quo of Orthodoxy will not be changing.

Or you could simply wake up one morning and decide not to be Jewish, and then you would have hundreds of things less to worry about and overcome in your life.

Although it sounds like a facetious remark, it isn't meant to be but rather more the genuine question of: What is stopping you?

My parents were quite religious. As a family we went to church every Sunday, and then I was sent to a secondary school where we had Chapel every Wednesday and Priory every Friday.

When I was about 14, turned round and told my mum that religion was the biggest pile of nonsense I had ever heard in my life, and I wished to have no further dealings with it whatsoever.

She cried for a day or so, but then just got over it and hasn't had an issue with my thoughts on the matter since.

I'm guessing some faiths are harder to leave than others.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th October 08:54

[bitchstewie]

Equally people could wake up one morning and decide that whilst they may not agree with someone else's beliefs they will at least respect them and decide that the next time they find themselves in a situation where a small act of decency may help someone go about their day they'll think twice.

Not very likely though is it?

[4x4Tyke]

underwhelmist said:

SlimJim16v said:

I don't think you can be Jewish but not religious. Jewish is not a race, as Muslim is not a race.

David Baddiel is a very famous example (I'm sure there are others) of a prominent Jewish atheist.

I agree that culture and religion are often conflated. Another example is how Christian artifices in this country are based on traditional culture. The two largest, Christmas and Easter, are rooted in pagan festivals, of winter and spring solstice.

Another is despite the majority of people expressing non-belief, culturally we abide by many deep seated 'Christian traditions'.

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Tuesday 24th October 10:10

[HTP99]

Lord Marylebone said:

Or you could simply wake up one morning and decide not to be Jewish, and then you would have hundreds of things less to worry about and overcome in your life.

Although it sounds like a facetious remark, it isn't meant to be but rather more the genuine question of: What is stopping you?

My parents were quite religious. As a family we went to church every Sunday, and then I was sent to a secondary school where we had Chapel every Wednesday and Priory every Friday.

When I was about 14, turned round and told my mum that religion was the biggest pile of nonsense I had ever heard in my life, and I wished to have no further dealings with it whatsoever.

She cried for a day or so, but then just got over it and hasn't had an issue with my thoughts on the matter since.

I'm guessing some faiths are harder to leave than others.

Edited by Lord Marylebone on Tuesday 24th October 08:54

This happened to me too.

My dad was very religious, went to the Cathedral weekly and he was a part of the weekly show there, as was I from a very early age being a "boat boy", I carried the incense that was sprinkled on the burner thing, which was subsequently swung about to distribute the smoke.

He wanted me to do more there, however I had to be Confirmed first, I had my Confirmation and then was trialled for a few months doing the bigger stuff; carrying the cross for example.

The head server then asked if I wanted to carry on (I was 15), I suspect he knew that my heart wasn't in it, I was blunt and told him that I didn't.

My dad was deveststed, at that point I never went to the Cathedral or Church again.

After a while my dad was fine, he accepted it and he carried on with his duties doing almost 50 years there, all voluntary however the buggers wanted a payment for his funeral there, the bloody cheek given his 50 years of voluntary work for them.

Anyway he is there now and I pop up every so often for a chat.

He did try and get myself and the wife to be married there though, we refused and did it in the local registery office.

Hilariously though when my mum and dad split, I found out a few years after that my mum thought it was all bks too, she never told him though and just went along with it.

[4x4Tyke]

RTB said:

It's the arbitrary nature of these rules that I can never get my head round.

That is kind of the point of them, they are instruments of control. This level of compliance is indication of the degree of control exercised. When they can control fundamental biological drives such as reproduction, you just known how powerful they are.

[4x4Tyke]

Roofless Toothless said:

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The religion is founded on the Ten Commandments, which, as a way to lead your life isn't all bad, even though one or two of the commandments are a bit flakey.

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To me, it's all part of life's rich pageant.

All very well put. Anthropologists have shown that many religious commandments and prohibitions exist across the world, for example against in-group killing or theft. These are a clear evolutionary response to group living and so deep seated it is present in other species.

Joke from my Catholic upbringing:

A priest and rabbi meet for lunch and get to discussing the nature of sin and the ten commandments.

As the lunch draws to a close, the priest leans over and asks, "Is it still true Jews cannot eat pork?"

The rabbi nods and responds, "Yeah, that is true."
He also leans in and asks, "is it true Catholic priests cannot have sex?"

The priest sighs and nods in agreement.

After a pregnant pause, the priest whispers to the rabbi, "Have you ever eaten pork?"

The rabbi looks abashed but agrees, "Yes, I ate a bacon sandwich once, ... have you ever broken your vow of celibacy?"

The priest sighs and muses, "Yes, once, ... sex is much better than pork, isn't it!"

[gregs656]

4x4Tyke said:

I agree that culture and religion are often conflated. Another example is how Christian artifices in this country are based on traditional culture. The two largest, Christmas and Easter, are rooted in pagan festivals, of winter and spring solstice.

It is not true that Christmas and Easter are rooted in Pagan festivals. Adrian Bott is probably the most well known writer on the subject.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Equally people could wake up one morning and decide that whilst they may not agree with someone else's beliefs they will at least respect them and decide that the next time they find themselves in a situation where a small act of decency may help someone go about their day they'll think twice.

Not very likely though is it?

As I said in my earlier post, I would have been polite and pressed the button.

Doesn't stop me questioning the whole ridiculous affair though.

[4x4Tyke]

gregs656 said:

It is not true that Christmas and Easter are rooted in Pagan festivals. Adrian Bott is probably the most well known writer on the subject.

I'll take the academic anthropologists over populist nonsense any time. Winter and Easter solstice festivals are well documented as dating from the neolithic era and the evidence is all around us.

[Captain Smerc]

s6boy said:

Colonial said:

Being a tt about pressing a lift button because it upsets your own beliefs is as stty as imposing your own religious beliefs on others.

It's just being a tt because you feel morally superior. It doesn't actually achieve anything.

I agree with male genital mutilation and that it should be outlawed. But this literally does not harm anyone so why be a dick about it?

I think a lot of what you see as being a t**t is in fact peoples reaction to the sheer hypocrisy of most religious 'following'. I don't think there is necessarily any sense of superiority or imposition of other beliefs here.

If you believe in something live by it, and hopefully others will respect you no matter what religion. In this case though the o/p was in a situation with people who wanted to benefit from not having to use the stairs but weren't prepared to operate a lift. If their belief was so strong they should have walked in the first place.

Yes , this is why sensible people find other odd people's religious bks bemusing and amusing .

[Halmyre]

gregs656 said:

4x4Tyke said:

I agree that culture and religion are often conflated. Another example is how Christian artifices in this country are based on traditional culture. The two largest, Christmas and Easter, are rooted in pagan festivals, of winter and spring solstice.

It is not true that Christmas and Easter are rooted in Pagan festivals. Adrian Bott is probably the most well known writer on the subject.

Bott's main objection seems to be around the existence of a goddess named 'Oestre', rather than derivation from a pagan celebration.

There's no doubt our ancestors would have celebrated the winter solstice - days are getting longer, hurrah!, and the spring equinox (not solstice) - days are getting longer than the nights, more hurrah! It's the word 'pagan' that is contentious, since no-one agrees on its meaning and it's associated with all sorts of new-agey airy-fairy guff.

And from there it's but a short step to the even more guffy subject of the druids.

[bitchstewie]

Lord Marylebone said:

As I said in my earlier post, I would have been polite and pressed the button.

Doesn't stop me questioning the whole ridiculous affair though.

Wasn't aimed at yourself specifically I find the whole thing strange but I'm sure things I do are seen as strange by some.

Live and let live and all that.

[Hoofy]

4x4Tyke said:

I agree that culture and religion are often conflated. Another example is how Christian artifices in this country are based on traditional culture. The two largest, Christmas and Easter, are rooted in pagan festivals, of winter and spring solstice.

You're supposed to save that snippet until December. Didn't you get the memo?

[gregs656]

4x4Tyke said:

I'll take the academic anthropologists over populist nonsense any time. Winter and Easter solstice festivals are well documented as dating from the neolithic era and the evidence is all around us.

Nice picture.

That winter and spring celebrations happened in Northern Europe does not mean Christians stole the idea. See Saturnalia for example, the pre-Christian Roman winter celebration.

Honestly there is a lot of writing about this.

The populist nonsense really is this idea that Christians stole Christmas off the Pagans. Which mostly gets perpetuated through social media from what I can see.

Edited by gregs656 on Tuesday 24th October 11:07