Lift buttons and jews
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bristolracer said:
The Plymouth brethren have some interesting ideas on the use of technology too. Not just on the sabbath either.
I've sold cars to Plymouth Brethren, I had to have the radios removed, not disconnected but removed completely. Just remembered my Uncle and Aunt, they are Strict Baptists, no TV as it's evil, doesn't stop my uncle being glued to it when he's round someone's house who has a TV, doesn't also stop him having a laptop and access to the internet.
He was a cruel and evil b
d to his 5 daughters, used to beat them with a belt if they were out of line, all in the name of religion.Nanook said:
No, it's not.
Persecuting gays, jailing women who have been raped for having sex outside marriage, killing those that believe in a different God to you, these things are not comparable to not pressing the lift button for someone, and suggesting that they are is easily the stupidest thing posted on this thread yet.
so where do you rate those well know religious types like Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot? And please do not give me that guff about Stalin was a failed priest etc - fact is he was a militant athiest by the point he started having any influence. Killing people because they believed in different stuff. Persecuting gays, jailing women who have been raped for having sex outside marriage, killing those that believe in a different God to you, these things are not comparable to not pressing the lift button for someone, and suggesting that they are is easily the stupidest thing posted on this thread yet.
Face it - we humans are a bunch of a
holes most of the time and really do not need religion (or lack thereof) to show that.SantaBarbara said:
Is this an anti-Semitic thread or just religion bashing generally?
Ah, so we arent allowed to discuss religion now ?Look up the definition of Antisemitism, hatred or discrimination against Jews, i dont think discussing the slightly odd (to us) behavior around lift buttons on the Sabbath will qualify, i suspect most Jewish folk find that a bit odd or inconvenient as well.
And religion in general, I am entitled to bash it as a concept as much as someone is entitled to throw themselves into it, I think its all nonsense, feel free to convince me otherwise, maybe that is my deeply held conviction, I dont actively enforce it on others like most religious folk dont enforce their faith on others, the problems come when anyone tries to make anyone else do things their way. We are all entitled to an opinion, nothing more.
HTP99 said:
bristolracer said:
The Plymouth brethren have some interesting ideas on the use of technology too. Not just on the sabbath either.
I've sold cars to Plymouth Brethren, I had to have the radios removed, not disconnected but removed completely. Just remembered my Uncle and Aunt, they are Strict Baptists, no TV as it's evil, doesn't stop my uncle being glued to it when he's round someone's house who has a TV, doesn't also stop him having a laptop and access to the internet.
He was a cruel and evil b
d to his 5 daughters, used to beat them with a belt if they were out of line, all in the name of religion.They are an odd bunch to say the least. We took over a Brethren company 12 years ago and TUPE'd their non-Brethren staff. They had some tales to tell...
irocfan said:
Nanook said:
No, it's not.
Persecuting gays, jailing women who have been raped for having sex outside marriage, killing those that believe in a different God to you, these things are not comparable to not pressing the lift button for someone, and suggesting that they are is easily the stupidest thing posted on this thread yet.
so where do you rate those well know religious types like Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot? And please do not give me that guff about Stalin was a failed priest etc - fact is he was a militant athiest by the point he started having any influence. Killing people because they believed in different stuff. Persecuting gays, jailing women who have been raped for having sex outside marriage, killing those that believe in a different God to you, these things are not comparable to not pressing the lift button for someone, and suggesting that they are is easily the stupidest thing posted on this thread yet.
Face it - we humans are a bunch of a
holes most of the time and really do not need religion (or lack thereof) to show that.I'm 50/50 on this.
The ahole in me would have ran my hands up and down every fking button going after getting off at my floor, flipped them the bird and told them that's what you get for being so fking stupid.
Then again, the Brit in me would probably have asked straight away, or apologised for not doing so and pushed the button without realising I was helping some weird fking cult.
The a
hole in me would have ran my hands up and down every fking button going after getting off at my floor, flipped them the bird and told them that's what you get for being so fking stupid. Then again, the Brit in me would probably have asked straight away, or apologised for not doing so and pushed the button without realising I was helping some weird f
king cult.SantaBarbara said:
Some Roman Catholic regulations are equally strange and old fashioned.
Such as celibacy for priests.
Back when it wasn't ok to be gay, joining the priesthood was a very good excuse for not having a wife. And, probably, having a wimpy handshake.Such as celibacy for priests.
Estimates of what proportion of priests were gay vary, but it nicely explains the virulent homophobia that runs through Catholicism.
djc206 said:
jsf said:
How do they switch their pacemaker off on the Sabbath?
Does this mean if someone is dying and they need a medical device like a defrib to save a life they just let them die?
Anything that's life saving appears to be acceptable so at least that's sensible!Does this mean if someone is dying and they need a medical device like a defrib to save a life they just let them die?
Some religions don't allow blood transfusions, even f that would save life. At least they are consistent.
jsf said:
If that is true then that just illustrates the absurdity of it.
Some religions don't allow blood transfusions, even f that would save life. At least they are consistent.
Quite. The Jewish religion is mostly alien to me as I've not grown up or lived in an area with many Jewish people but I did grow up in a town with a lot of Jehovahs witnesses. Utter madness the whole transfusion thing.Some religions don't allow blood transfusions, even f that would save life. At least they are consistent.
jsf said:
djc206 said:
jsf said:
How do they switch their pacemaker off on the Sabbath?
Does this mean if someone is dying and they need a medical device like a defrib to save a life they just let them die?
Anything that's life saving appears to be acceptable so at least that's sensible!Does this mean if someone is dying and they need a medical device like a defrib to save a life they just let them die?
Some religions don't allow blood transfusions, even f that would save life. At least they are consistent.
moanthebairns said:
What you mean something created thousands of years ago that did not foresee technology being able to save a life or prolong it so didn't bother about creating set rules for this. But foreseen the afterlife. And how the earth was created.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here?jsf said:
moanthebairns said:
What you mean something created thousands of years ago that did not foresee technology being able to save a life or prolong it so didn't bother about creating set rules for this. But foreseen the afterlife. And how the earth was created.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here?t isn't it. The sabbath is commanded by God and is supposed to be spent in rest thanking him for creating the earth as it was the day he rested as fair as I'm aware.
He comes up with a set of rules that they should and shouldn't do which was funnily enough applicable at the time.
They are fully versed in the creation of earth something that still troubles scientists, but at no point did God tell them or even have the foresight to put a paragraph in because in a thousand years a jew might need to ride in a life on a Saturday, or be on life support.
I think its quite clear-a supposedly all knowing,all powerful god who made a universe in less than a week, had all his thoughts written down 2000 or more years ago, but was NOT able to mention to his followers that they will need to think about electricity,LEDs etc, in the future. Maybe put in a commandment about things to come, & how to deal with them, as an all knowing,all powerful god!
because it does seem very odd that aforementioned all knowing,all powerful god in his book only mentions things that would have been known to the bronze age authors...no bacteria, black holes,planets apart from those visible, no mention of China or America or Australia(no marsupials in the ark eh Noah, missed a few there old fella!), sod all beyond the middle east
Its almost as if the authors were merely....human!
because it does seem very odd that aforementioned all knowing,all powerful god in his book only mentions things that would have been known to the bronze age authors...no bacteria, black holes,planets apart from those visible, no mention of China or America or Australia(no marsupials in the ark eh Noah, missed a few there old fella!), sod all beyond the middle east
Its almost as if the authors were merely....human!
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