Lift buttons and jews
Discussion
My oven has a Jewish setting (I realize reading that back it sounds terrible but it’s tough to get my innocent point across). The instruction manual has a section on how to program for the Sabbath. The oven functions in a kosher way as it was already doing the work with out their involvement.
I used to work with a very knowledgeable Jewish person. Having spoken to him in depth it is amazing what lengths they go to to be compliant. One example, they can’t work on the sabbath. Some consider cutting grass as work. Even pushing a pram over grass and breaking it as work. But, if you are in the temple you can work. So, they put a piece of string around the entire neighborhood and designate it sacred ground. Now you are compliant. When in New York, look up and you may see the string in some areas.
There’s many other examples of this type of work around. My Jewish colleague said that’s one of the games they play is finding an interpretation to make the rules more strict to abide and then a loop hole to still be following them.
Oh, final point. Have the neighborhood designated sacred has an added benefit. In some towns they are classed as churches and so don’t pay tax. That’s the entire town! One example is near Woodbury Commons out let just North of NYC
I used to work with a very knowledgeable Jewish person. Having spoken to him in depth it is amazing what lengths they go to to be compliant. One example, they can’t work on the sabbath. Some consider cutting grass as work. Even pushing a pram over grass and breaking it as work. But, if you are in the temple you can work. So, they put a piece of string around the entire neighborhood and designate it sacred ground. Now you are compliant. When in New York, look up and you may see the string in some areas.
There’s many other examples of this type of work around. My Jewish colleague said that’s one of the games they play is finding an interpretation to make the rules more strict to abide and then a loop hole to still be following them.
Oh, final point. Have the neighborhood designated sacred has an added benefit. In some towns they are classed as churches and so don’t pay tax. That’s the entire town! One example is near Woodbury Commons out let just North of NYC
SlimJim16v said:
CAPP0 said:
Upon reflection, I ask myself (and I honestly don't know) whether one can be Jewish and non-religious. In other words, is Judaism a religion, a race, or both?
I don't think you can be Jewish but not religious. Jewish is not a race, as Muslim is not a race.I think if this tells us anything, it is that it is primarily a culture, at least for this particular individual.
I don't know how to feel about this.
I despise religion of any form and generally refuse to pander to any of it. I believe it is a terrible curse on the world and to a certain extent, a form of mental illness. I think that indoctrination of children into a religion is verging on abuse.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better. Each generation that passes becomes less religious, so we are heading in the right direction.
I tend to keep my opinions to myself in 'real life', and don't discuss my atheism to many people in person, however I will quietly refuse to have anything to do with religion.
So, I would be really quite annoyed if a stranger expected me to assist them with their utterly ridiculous religious antics, such as the lift button scenario mentioned.
But on the other hand... I'm a relatively polite and helpful person, so I would probably have felt quite bad if I had refused to assist a fellow human.
I'm conflicted.
Just to add on the Jewish/Race issue: I am friends with a family who are allegedly Jewish, but they don't observe any Jewish traditions or 'rules', and I jokingly told them they weren't really Jewish one day. The daughter said "Of course we are Jewish, we've got big noses, curly dark hair and are called Bernstein. What on earth do you think we are if we aren't Jewish?"
Which naturally left me even more confused.
I despise religion of any form and generally refuse to pander to any of it. I believe it is a terrible curse on the world and to a certain extent, a form of mental illness. I think that indoctrination of children into a religion is verging on abuse.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better. Each generation that passes becomes less religious, so we are heading in the right direction.
I tend to keep my opinions to myself in 'real life', and don't discuss my atheism to many people in person, however I will quietly refuse to have anything to do with religion.
So, I would be really quite annoyed if a stranger expected me to assist them with their utterly ridiculous religious antics, such as the lift button scenario mentioned.
But on the other hand... I'm a relatively polite and helpful person, so I would probably have felt quite bad if I had refused to assist a fellow human.
I'm conflicted.
Just to add on the Jewish/Race issue: I am friends with a family who are allegedly Jewish, but they don't observe any Jewish traditions or 'rules', and I jokingly told them they weren't really Jewish one day. The daughter said "Of course we are Jewish, we've got big noses, curly dark hair and are called Bernstein. What on earth do you think we are if we aren't Jewish?"
Which naturally left me even more confused.
SlimJim16v said:
CAPP0 said:
Upon reflection, I ask myself (and I honestly don't know) whether one can be Jewish and non-religious. In other words, is Judaism a religion, a race, or both?
I don't think you can be Jewish but not religious. Jewish is not a race, as Muslim is not a race.Lord Marylebone said:
...I despise religion of any form and generally refuse to pander to any of it. I believe it is a terrible curse on the world and to a certain extent, a form of mental illness. I think that indoctrination of children into a religion is verging on abuse.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better.
The issue for me is it's the same side of the coin that perpetuates fundamentalism and extremism.
If you can't question, criticise and destroy with reasoning something like not being able to open a fridge because it's a certain day or how daft it is to be in 50C sunshine and wrapped head to toe in black cloth then how are you going to combat the far darker ideologies?
If you can't question, criticise and destroy with reasoning something like not being able to open a fridge because it's a certain day or how daft it is to be in 50C sunshine and wrapped head to toe in black cloth then how are you going to combat the far darker ideologies?
silverfoxcc said:
Some very orthodox Jewish Families in LOndon used to employ Gentiles to do all the mundane switching of equipment.
For thelife of me i cannot recall what they were know as but did go under a specific job description
Yes.For thelife of me i cannot recall what they were know as but did go under a specific job description
Jews do sometimes employ non-Jews known as a 'Shabbos Goy' to do things like press lift buttons etc.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 22 October 11:00
Mothersruin said:
Religion; bringing common sense to the world since...
Never!Just shows how ridiculous the made up rules can be.if some bloke in a funny costume said you had to hop on 1 leg & quack like a duck to be a good <insert religion here> would they do it!
Not even pressing a button is crazy, you may as well stay in bed all Saturday(actually,that doesnt sound too bad!
)h0b0 said:
My oven has a Jewish setting (I realize reading that back it sounds terrible but it’s tough to get my innocent point across). ...
I am SO going to hell for laughing at that...but if its a Jewish hell do I get Saturdays offf from torture,as screaming would be workEdited by kowalski655 on Sunday 22 October 00:08
The vast majority of Jewish people are not Orthodox and even with Orthodoxy practice can very. Hasidic Jews for example will certainly abide by the most strict interpretation including elevator buttons on Shabas
However even in Israel most people are secular. Many religions have very conservative factions.
In general the Orthodox keep to themselves and do nobody any harm.
Judaism is as much a culture as a religion and has no central dictates as to personal belief so individual groups vary widely in terms of practice.
However even in Israel most people are secular. Many religions have very conservative factions.
In general the Orthodox keep to themselves and do nobody any harm.
Judaism is as much a culture as a religion and has no central dictates as to personal belief so individual groups vary widely in terms of practice.
RichB said:
Lord Marylebone said:
...I despise religion of any form and generally refuse to pander to any of it. I believe it is a terrible curse on the world and to a certain extent, a form of mental illness. I think that indoctrination of children into a religion is verging on abuse.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better.
There is simply no need for it, and the sooner we all do our bit to shun this ridiculousness the better.
k off.
My very atheist father in law worked as head baker in a Jewish bakery attached to a synagogue until recently.
Happened a few times where he wasn't in for some reason and they needed to do something with the ovens and couldn't touch any controls so it ruined a batch of bagels or whatever. There was some other thing where he wasn't allowed to crack any eggs, only one of the Jewish chaps could. He thought they were batst crazy, but very nice people.
I used to live in a very Jewish area of North Leeds as a kid and used to witness many families parking up out of sight of the synagogue and walking in, to give the right impression.
Ultimately though 99% of people from any background you choose are inherently decent. It's just the odd bunch of lunatics that take it too far and can colour your view.
Happened a few times where he wasn't in for some reason and they needed to do something with the ovens and couldn't touch any controls so it ruined a batch of bagels or whatever. There was some other thing where he wasn't allowed to crack any eggs, only one of the Jewish chaps could. He thought they were bats
t crazy, but very nice people.I used to live in a very Jewish area of North Leeds as a kid and used to witness many families parking up out of sight of the synagogue and walking in, to give the right impression.
Ultimately though 99% of people from any background you choose are inherently decent. It's just the odd bunch of lunatics that take it too far and can colour your view.
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