Giving wifi password to neighbours?
Discussion
StevieBee said:
On a similar vein, I occasionally rename my WiFi. Currently, it's 'Mi5 Surveillance Van'
There's one near my office called something like 'Zombie Virus'. I'm guessing it's the computer shop around the corner!When we moved into this office the hairdresser next door let us jump on his Wi-Fi until ours was on. I've often wondered whether he regretted that as I logged the 2 x desktops, the printer, the laptop, the VOIP etc. onto it!
boyse7en said:
Not sure McDonalds is that keen on you lugging in a desktop and monitor onto a table and plugging it in.
I must be too trusting as I give out my WiFi password to loads of people. It's on a sticker in the kitchen so any visitors can access it
That would be funny actually. OP suggests he was using his phone but is now out of data. I must be too trusting as I give out my WiFi password to loads of people. It's on a sticker in the kitchen so any visitors can access it
I don't think he will be up to no good but I do suspect he wants free internet for the next x months.
The Daily Wail is strong in this thread.
Everyone's a paedo (except you, obviously not you, just everyone else), foreigns aren't to be trusted, all we need now is a mention of how Hitler wasn't really a bad guy and we've got a bingo.
Honestly, I'm not usually one to lament the passing years, but I do start to yearn for a past (that I know didn't really exist, just in my rose-tinted memory) where 'society' was a thing. Where your neighbour would ask to borrow a cup of sugar and you'd just give it to him, rather than assuming it was part of a bomb-making scheme because he looked a bit brown. Or where you'd find yourself in a lift with some Jews and you'd just press the damn button because there's literally no reason in the world why you wouldn't unless you're a complete helmet.
Try it, for yourselves, just be nice to people. Smile at strangers in the supermarket. Make an amusing face to a baby on the tube. Offer a cheery thank you to the tired shop girl. Make polite conversation with the elderly woman in the queue (it might be the only chat she has all week).
You'll find that, mostly, people are just people. That black folks won't rape your women as soon as look at them, that Muslim people aren't all out to get you, that young people aren't all happy slapping yobbos and that the elderley really do value a simple gesture. And then you'll start to feel better yourself, because you'll come to realise that the world isn't what the Wail tells you it is. We're not going to hell in a handcart. We're not doomed to a future of txt spk and avocado on toast for every meal. We're, broadly, a nation full of outstandingly good people from a hugely diverse spectrum (lucky us, how tremendous that we aren't forbidden from so being) of human life. Please, for your own sanity, experience some of this for yourself, it will change you for the better.
Or just keep assuming that everyone (literally everyone else on a planet of more than seven billion people) is out to get you by downloading ropey porn on your wifi. Hell, it's a wonderfully free country, you don't have to listen to me.
Everyone's a paedo (except you, obviously not you, just everyone else), foreigns aren't to be trusted, all we need now is a mention of how Hitler wasn't really a bad guy and we've got a bingo.
Honestly, I'm not usually one to lament the passing years, but I do start to yearn for a past (that I know didn't really exist, just in my rose-tinted memory) where 'society' was a thing. Where your neighbour would ask to borrow a cup of sugar and you'd just give it to him, rather than assuming it was part of a bomb-making scheme because he looked a bit brown. Or where you'd find yourself in a lift with some Jews and you'd just press the damn button because there's literally no reason in the world why you wouldn't unless you're a complete helmet.
Try it, for yourselves, just be nice to people. Smile at strangers in the supermarket. Make an amusing face to a baby on the tube. Offer a cheery thank you to the tired shop girl. Make polite conversation with the elderly woman in the queue (it might be the only chat she has all week).
You'll find that, mostly, people are just people. That black folks won't rape your women as soon as look at them, that Muslim people aren't all out to get you, that young people aren't all happy slapping yobbos and that the elderley really do value a simple gesture. And then you'll start to feel better yourself, because you'll come to realise that the world isn't what the Wail tells you it is. We're not going to hell in a handcart. We're not doomed to a future of txt spk and avocado on toast for every meal. We're, broadly, a nation full of outstandingly good people from a hugely diverse spectrum (lucky us, how tremendous that we aren't forbidden from so being) of human life. Please, for your own sanity, experience some of this for yourself, it will change you for the better.
Or just keep assuming that everyone (literally everyone else on a planet of more than seven billion people) is out to get you by downloading ropey porn on your wifi. Hell, it's a wonderfully free country, you don't have to listen to me.
I lent our Neighbor our internet when they moved in for a couple of days a few years back. I just made sure the NAS had guest access off (although to be honest they were welcome to what was on there which was mainly trash television and films 
)
Then this year our fence got blown over, not an issue out I went with some tools and started to fix and sure it up, said neighbor who is a chippie (and also foreign, Russian if you must know) came out with a couple of cans of beer and his tools told me drink my beer and cracked on with repairing the fence with me, when I say with I mean for, he worked so much fast than I could and as he does it for a living i just got in the way so switch to apprentice mode, handed him tools, cleared up the mess and the like, tried to offer him some money for his time and materials (he went threw a fair few screws and broke a jigsaw blade plus a couple hours time) but he refused and in a heavy accent told me "we are neighbors we should help each other like when you lend me internet" I had forgotten I had done this but clearly he hadn't and had been looking for an opportunity to return the favor!
In summary don't be a
to your neighbors, there really is no need!!
) Then this year our fence got blown over, not an issue out I went with some tools and started to fix and sure it up, said neighbor who is a chippie (and also foreign, Russian if you must know) came out with a couple of cans of beer and his tools told me drink my beer and cracked on with repairing the fence with me, when I say with I mean for, he worked so much fast than I could and as he does it for a living i just got in the way so switch to apprentice mode, handed him tools, cleared up the mess and the like, tried to offer him some money for his time and materials (he went threw a fair few screws and broke a jigsaw blade plus a couple hours time) but he refused and in a heavy accent told me "we are neighbors we should help each other like when you lend me internet" I had forgotten I had done this but clearly he hadn't and had been looking for an opportunity to return the favor!
In summary don't be a
to your neighbors, there really is no need!!OP said NDN has:
Used all his mobile allowance
Needs to send invoices
Has money problems
If said NDN knocked on and said they had a fault or something then I really don't see the problem with setting up a guest account for what a few days.
The issue here is the NDN sounds like they are having issues and could probably have easily sent invoices some other way. Also find it strange they would not just print them off and post them, or at worst ask NDN to email them for him perhaps. He could always take a USB stick down to the local library and do it there.
It all sounds like he just wants free internet to me. What next he will be asking for your sky mobile password or Netflix password...
LeoZwalf said:
Those of you hinting that this dude might be up to no good because the OP mentioned his slight lack of English language; have a word with yourselves. God forbid the guy might be FOREIGN. Ugh, gross foreigners, coming to your England, taking away your Internets!
OP if you are worried about it, I think your dongle idea is good but instead of buying one for him (very kind of you) just advise him on what he needs to look for at the shop.
As a foreigner myself, I have often asked natives for help and advice specific to the country in which I live. Normal people are happy to help me.
That 'll be me then.I've hads a word with myself and I feel I am completely just in putting what I did.OP if you are worried about it, I think your dongle idea is good but instead of buying one for him (very kind of you) just advise him on what he needs to look for at the shop.
As a foreigner myself, I have often asked natives for help and advice specific to the country in which I live. Normal people are happy to help me.
You can open up a whole can of worms if you are really unlucky
Its dead simple if you want to risk it do it
if you don't don't.
But as we know of one such person who DID get raided and hadn't done anything then my view stands.
Turned out it wasn't the nice young couple he had let use his wifi when their internet went off the Tuesday before Xmas It was the nice young woman neighbours brother who downloaded some filth onto his laptop presumably over the Saturday and sunday he stayed between xmas and new year
So in Mid January 2014 under Section 4 protecton of children act 1978 the police were authorised to search for any internet enabled device including mobile phones, tablets, laptops,games consoles, photographic equipment removable media devices such as usb sticks, memory cards, dvds cd's etc
So the nice guy ended up losing all his stuff between January and July 2014 Pity about his phone paying £40 a month line rental. He lost his job having been arrested at work and despite the plods discretioin of taking him into a private room to formally arrest him, and escorting him from the room NOT in handcuffs they were overheard by another member of staff. When the nice guy was released and went to work he was told no way too risky (I mean the guy did use a PC in the office and the office were then worried what might, could be on the pc he used ...no smoke etc but again understandable) That tea time my wife went to see him and suggested he stay with friends. He didn't but he did come back with her and she made sure he ate something. The next day she went round and helped him clear up. You see my wife is a nice caring sort
So having lost his job his IT stuff he then had to endure grief of the neighbours who couldn't help but notice the big van with OPERATIONAL SUPPORT UNIT stamped all over it and the people some in white boiler suits in and out of his house taking see through plastic bags out
So the neighbours put two and two together INCLUDING the nice young couple who couldn't believe it - oh the irony and his name was mud.
Never mind though the nice letter he had been given at the police custody suite information for suspected persons etc told him he could see his GP or the Lucy something foundation or stop it now or even the good old samaraitans I'm doing that from memory as I looked at the letters plod gave him he had on when he came round that first night
When it was found that nothing was on any of his equipment the offer to return it was made and it was returned to him in July 2014 he wasn't that bothered. In fact his house had been sold by then and the stuff was returned to him at another address. For a few weeks the stuff just remained in its brown potato sack style bags. The police removed all the see through bags for whatever reason their protocols insist upon so doing.
Despite the s
t he endured his decency and dignity prevailed and he didn't blame the police who arrested him. He understood that the trail led back to him. I'd say that was fking magnanimous myself.Along the way during his initial interview he hasd been asked about other people accessing his wifi / internet and he had mentioned next door t using it but plod don't pursue it at the time - presumably because they were a nice young couple you see. But he was asked about this again quite specifically on one of the occasions he had to answer bail The Police gave no reason why they asked him at that time but it was clear there was something.
And so in October 2014 . A man was arrested and charged with being in possession of ... etc. material from all ranges including several at the highest level of. this bloke was that nice couples girl brother and he didn't give a s
t you see. his compulsion over rode his natural common sense. It only came out about the woman's brother when he was caught out at home when his VPN leaked like a sieve. The guy was then arrested and questioned and voila – he admitted to having done it when staying at his sisters for a couple of days the previous Christmas as well as at home and other places.
So along the way perp wrecked his relationship with his sister He wrecked their relationship with their neighbour. And much more importantly he nearly destroyed the life of a decent bloke who just did his neighbours a favour when their wifi was off over Christmas
Because the guy is a long standing friend of my wifes AND because OUR girls are grown up he stayed with us for some time when his stress levels went up. It was hard to get another job as primarily he didn't want any new job to reference his old so he had to cover a gap on his CV.I saw him when he was down and distrauight
He now lives in Wolverhampton and has a mostly new circle of friends you see some of his older standing mates couldn't risk (you know he could be guilty)
The downloaders case went to court in early November 2015 and he got 6 months suspended for 2 years. Which seems lenient Presumably because of his guilty plea No mention was made of the damage he did to his sister or our friend. He had been at it for several years and had over 10 000 pictures. He was in a responsible job and had to be formally disqualified from it a few months later.
His returned stuff he got round to sorting through. The laptop he sold I factory resetted it for him. Plod puts stickers on the drives you know. They had taken the NAS apart - WD's aren't the easiest but they'd managed it and again sticker in there.
Horrible time for Geoff and an experience that shook him. He will only use internet at home. Or via his data allowance.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th October 12:58
Bristol spark said:
StevieBee said:
On a similar vein, I occasionally rename my WiFi. Currently, it's 'Mi5 Surveillance Van'
Snap!I've a guest network, I'd probably let a neighbour use it for a limited period. The small risk of someone doing something illegal on your IP is there even without handing access over to someone who asks you to your face for it.
techiedave said:
That 'll be me then.I've hads a word with myself and I feel I am completely just in putting what I did.
You can open up a whole can of worms if you are really unlucky
Its dead simple if you want to risk it do it
if you don't don't.
So 1 out of the 1000's of people you meet turned out to be a pedo. Surprise surprise.You can open up a whole can of worms if you are really unlucky
Its dead simple if you want to risk it do it
if you don't don't.
Wow - a lot of selfish people out there.. everyones out for number 1....
Neighbour has come for help- good on you OP for setting up guest access...
People who say as you dont know them and that he might be downloading nasty stuff - How many of you have given passwords to brothers, sisters , uncles, fathers and friends etc. There is just as much chance they could be downloading the same filth as your next door neighbour. It's not like you freind is going to come to you and say - can i have your wifi password so i can download some weird illegal porn..
All those poeple who have been caught downloading dodgy things in the past - how many of their family members do you think knew? Seemingly all those people lived normal lives as well.... I would hazard a guess very few- therfore I will come to the conclusion that it is no more riskier giving your password to your neighbour than it is to a relative or family friend...
Neighbour has come for help- good on you OP for setting up guest access...
People who say as you dont know them and that he might be downloading nasty stuff - How many of you have given passwords to brothers, sisters , uncles, fathers and friends etc. There is just as much chance they could be downloading the same filth as your next door neighbour. It's not like you freind is going to come to you and say - can i have your wifi password so i can download some weird illegal porn..
All those poeple who have been caught downloading dodgy things in the past - how many of their family members do you think knew? Seemingly all those people lived normal lives as well.... I would hazard a guess very few- therfore I will come to the conclusion that it is no more riskier giving your password to your neighbour than it is to a relative or family friend...
Edited by fizz47 on Tuesday 24th October 14:39
Edited by fizz47 on Tuesday 24th October 15:03
fizz47 said:
Wow - a lot of selfish people out there.. everyones out for number 1....
Neighbour has come for help- good on you OP for setting up guest access...
People who say as you dont know them and that he might be downloading nasty stuff - How many of you have given passwords to brothers, sisters , uncles, fathers and friends etc. There is just as much chance they could be downloading the same filth as your next day neighbour. It's not like you freind is going to come to you and say - can i have your wifi password so i can download some weird illegal porn..
All those poeple who have been caught downloading dodgy things in the past - how many of their family members do you think knew? Seemingly all those people lived normal lives as well.... I would hazard a guess very few- therfore I will come to the conclusion that it is no more riskier giving your password to your neighbour than it is to a relative or family friend...
Your point is valid in the guys case it was his neighbours brother who used it not her./ Whether he got it from her or saw it written down he doesn't know. The problem is THE DAMAGE done to him. Lost job, neighbours turning against him. If you look at his job loss its understandable - he used a PC at workNeighbour has come for help- good on you OP for setting up guest access...
People who say as you dont know them and that he might be downloading nasty stuff - How many of you have given passwords to brothers, sisters , uncles, fathers and friends etc. There is just as much chance they could be downloading the same filth as your next day neighbour. It's not like you freind is going to come to you and say - can i have your wifi password so i can download some weird illegal porn..
All those poeple who have been caught downloading dodgy things in the past - how many of their family members do you think knew? Seemingly all those people lived normal lives as well.... I would hazard a guess very few- therfore I will come to the conclusion that it is no more riskier giving your password to your neighbour than it is to a relative or family friend...
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th October 14:39
If you want to know "how normal" the guy who did download is then you can look at this report about him
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/07/...
Quite charming isn't he. ?
The point I made directly and alluded to earlier is the risk you take in allowing someone you don't know to access your wifi that YOU are responsible for. It's YOUR stuff that will be looked at closely. Then you'll get it back provided it's all ok. But in the meantime you wont have access to it.
I'm afraid I can't agree with your conclusion. I think it is a lot riskier giving it to a neighbour than a relative.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th October 14:58
There is a huge difference between my mate using my WiFi on his phone when sat in the lounge with me drinking a coffee, to a neighbour (or one of their visitors I don't even know) doing it in the privacy of their own home.
Is it likely they would be doing something seriously illegal? Of course not, but I wouldn't take the risk, small though it is. And let's be serious - we're not talking about refusing to give food to a starving family - we're talking about not providing somebody with internet access. It's hardly life or death and - as pointed out - there are places be could go to get WiFi with his phone (or he could just change his data plan while his router isn't working!)
Is it likely they would be doing something seriously illegal? Of course not, but I wouldn't take the risk, small though it is. And let's be serious - we're not talking about refusing to give food to a starving family - we're talking about not providing somebody with internet access. It's hardly life or death and - as pointed out - there are places be could go to get WiFi with his phone (or he could just change his data plan while his router isn't working!)
essayer said:
Guest wifi access won't protect you if he goes looking for CP will it? I'm firmly in the NO camp.
Sorry, but Internet access isn't life-or-death, and temporary options are available, even for free; go to McDonalds or the library, you won't even need to put the heating on.
How many paedophile neighbours do you think you have?Sorry, but Internet access isn't life-or-death, and temporary options are available, even for free; go to McDonalds or the library, you won't even need to put the heating on.
Zod said:
essayer said:
Guest wifi access won't protect you if he goes looking for CP will it? I'm firmly in the NO camp.
Sorry, but Internet access isn't life-or-death, and temporary options are available, even for free; go to McDonalds or the library, you won't even need to put the heating on.
How many paedophile neighbours do you think you have?Sorry, but Internet access isn't life-or-death, and temporary options are available, even for free; go to McDonalds or the library, you won't even need to put the heating on.
xjay1337 said:
Holy fking st.
What on earth happened to friendly neighbourhood-ness?
OP was concerned about his NAS drive being accessible. OP set up a guest network which meant the NAS was not accessible. OP did not then let neighbour use his WiFi?
Heaven forbid the neighbour actually needing to, wait for it, actually do what he fking says.
But no, everyone is quick to assume he is going to download kiddy porn.
Any of my neighbours I would certainly make some allowances to use my internet should the need arise. I can set up guest account(s) or provide them a time-limited token or even pop round, sign onto my network for them, have a cup of tea while they do what they need to do and then sign off my network!
I mean for pete sake, what the fk is becoming of society these days??!?!?!??!!
Thinking the same. I was very relieved when my lady neighbour let me use her wi-fi connection when our internet failed and I was working from home on something urgent with little option of doing anything else.king st.What on earth happened to friendly neighbourhood-ness?
OP was concerned about his NAS drive being accessible. OP set up a guest network which meant the NAS was not accessible. OP did not then let neighbour use his WiFi?
Heaven forbid the neighbour actually needing to, wait for it, actually do what he f
king says.But no, everyone is quick to assume he is going to download kiddy porn.
Any of my neighbours I would certainly make some allowances to use my internet should the need arise. I can set up guest account(s) or provide them a time-limited token or even pop round, sign onto my network for them, have a cup of tea while they do what they need to do and then sign off my network!
I mean for pete sake, what the f
k is becoming of society these days??!?!?!??!!I popped round with a bottle of wine a day later to tell her I was done, and that she ought to change her password to something different. Funnily enough I've never bothered checking if she has indeed changed it, nor did I scan her network for unsecured devices and juicy files, plant viruses all over her home and download several terabytes of illegal material using her connection either. I must be an exception judging by the posts above.
We let her use ours when she had similar issues a while later.
I'm quite intrigued to see the number of people here who say they wouldn't full stop. I guess if I didn't know my neighbours well or had suspicions of some of them, I may have issues doing the same, but I suppose could always come to some more secure arrangement to be friendly and helpful.
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