The greatest human ever....
Discussion
MYOB said:
glazbagun said:
Churchill was obviously a decent guy at the right time, but greatest human ever is surely a stretch.
I'm sorry but "decent" people don't order the total destructions of cities incurring the deaths of thousands and thousands of civilians. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well they can do, if they genuinely believe that in the long term it'll mean less death and carnage, especially of their own citizens. Most people think Harry Truman was a pretty decent man, even though he ordered the A Bomb to be dropped on Japan.
Trumann was supposedy very annoyed by Oppenhiemer's whinges as to the blood on his hands. "How does he think I feel, I dropped the damn thing!" or words to that effect.In any case, I meant "decent" as in competent, though morally I don't think he was particularly abnormal for his time.
Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 22 November 16:44
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well they can do, if they genuinely believe that in the long term it'll mean less death and carnage, especially of their own citizens. Most people think Harry Truman was a pretty decent man, even though he ordered the A Bomb to be dropped on Japan.
There was not very much left to Bomb in Japan and they still would not surrender .All this arm chair reflection by people who just read a book is nonsense all of these people were dealing with decisions most people just could not even contemplate.
In fairness I don't think John is saying it was an obvious decision
I think he is saying its a hopelessly difficult decision to make
An invasion of the Japanese homeland had the potential to be drawn out and equally as deadly.
In that situation - arguably all Truman could do was decide who died. Not whether people died
Fairly grim. I'd run for the hills faced with that choice
I think he is saying its a hopelessly difficult decision to make
An invasion of the Japanese homeland had the potential to be drawn out and equally as deadly.
In that situation - arguably all Truman could do was decide who died. Not whether people died
Fairly grim. I'd run for the hills faced with that choice
E34-3.2 said:
Jesus. Doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, more than 2000 years after he came on earth, everybody knows who he was and what he represented despite not being a leader of a country or some kind of "great warrior".
It kind of matters if he never actually existed. You may as well give it to Micky Mouse, for all the pleasure he's brought people. E34-3.2 said:
Jesus. Doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, more than 2000 years after he came on earth, everybody knows who he was and what he represented despite not being a leader of a country or some kind of "great warrior".
Somebody posted earlier other than the Bible he isn't mentioned very much in History and many think he is an amalgam of other such similar mythical figures.
johnxjsc1985 said:
E34-3.2 said:
Jesus. Doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, more than 2000 years after he came on earth, everybody knows who he was and what he represented despite not being a leader of a country or some kind of "great warrior".
Somebody posted earlier other than the Bible he isn't mentioned very much in History and many think he is an amalgam of other such similar mythical figures.E34-3.2 said:
Jesus. Doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, more than 2000 years after he came on earth, everybody knows who he was and what he represented despite not being a leader of a country or some kind of "great warrior".
But this is mostly down to forced indoctrination, imperialism, colonialism etc - rather than any good deeds this 'person' is deemed to have performed.Moonhawk said:
E34-3.2 said:
Jesus. Doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, more than 2000 years after he came on earth, everybody knows who he was and what he represented despite not being a leader of a country or some kind of "great warrior".
But this is mostly down to forced indoctrination, imperialism, colonialism etc - rather than any good deeds this 'person' is deemed to have performed.Some, even go so far as to bend a knee to a chap bragging that he grabs women by the box - the orange dotard. Rocket man has a bit of a local ( starving ) following, too.
Through out the entire history of humankind, I doubt any individual measures up.
Vocal Minority said:
In fairness I don't think John is saying it was an obvious decision
I think he is saying its a hopelessly difficult decision to make
An invasion of the Japanese homeland had the potential to be drawn out and equally as deadly.
In that situation - arguably all Truman could do was decide who died. Not whether people died
Fairly grim. I'd run for the hills faced with that choice
I wouldn’t and I doubt you would have at the time either. I think he is saying its a hopelessly difficult decision to make
An invasion of the Japanese homeland had the potential to be drawn out and equally as deadly.
In that situation - arguably all Truman could do was decide who died. Not whether people died
Fairly grim. I'd run for the hills faced with that choice
I’d do what I thought was the greatest good for the greatest number of people and that would be Atom bombing Japan every time. Trump was a great man because he made that tough decision and had a conscience about it.
Sure I’d feel bad about it but they weren’t going to surrender. Pacific island hopping had shown what trying to occupy Japan was going to be like.
What the Japanese had done in occupied China and sea Asia was horrendous. War is terrible and should be avoided at all costs, but they needed stopping,
Then after the Japanese were defeated, rather than occupy and enslave the Japanese,, Truman and MacArthur helped bring in Japanese social and economic reform.
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