Astonishing Facts....

Astonishing Facts....

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SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Why is it an aqueduct, instead of an aquaduct?

Watchman

6,391 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
Why is it an aqueduct, instead of an aquaduct?
And why didn't my spell checker pull me up on that?

prand

5,916 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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GroundEffect said:
Anything with a heavier atom than Iron is the same...so many parts of our bodies are the same too.
After watching the origins of the universe programme on BBC4 last week, I'd have thought it was pretty much anything heavier than hydrogen comes from the stars.

All the heavier elements were formed as a result of star formation, nuclear fusion, and distributed by their subsequent destruction.

Timmy45

12,915 posts

199 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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prand said:
GroundEffect said:
Anything with a heavier atom than Iron is the same...so many parts of our bodies are the same too.
After watching the origins of the universe programme on BBC4 last week, I'd have thought it was pretty much anything heavier than hydrogen comes from the stars.

All the heavier elements were formed as a result of star formation, nuclear fusion, and distributed by their subsequent destruction.
1% more water on this planet and we'd all be fish.

mko9

2,372 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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tertius said:
captain_cynic said:
Greg_D said:
they really do weigh a lot more, i'm a reasonably experienced shot and know the relative weights of most types of firearm. A pump action shotgun with 6 cartridges loaded will weigh probably treble a similarly equipped pistol, and will take up probably 5x the space. if an astronaut can't be trained to fire a pistol vaguely straight into the centre of mass of a bear, they probably shouldn't even be on the mission....
Erm... the pistol with two shotgun shells linked to above is 2.4 KG with stock, a .50 desert eagle is 1.8 KG. Not really going to make much of a difference.

I'm calling bks on you being an actual shooter if you think a small shotgun is 5 times as big as a large calibre pistol. A sawn off pump action will easily be under 3KG and maybe occupy twice the space, less if it has a folding stock... However a combination gun was made. It was a breech loader because if you cant neutralise the bear with one or two shots, you were bear food.

Also, pilots were not chosen for their marksmanship and you can put a .45 round into a bear and it will keep charging unless you hit something vital. The time saved by not having to aim accurately was the difference between life and death. Bears are big creatures.
To be fair I think GregD was comenting on the initial claim that they took a “shotgun” (and not a small barrelled pistol configuration drilling) as a standard shotgun is undoubtedly a lot larger than a pistol.; and the ammunition much bulkier.

I personally would be rather doubtful of the effectiveness of any shotgun round against a bear, let alone the (rather small) 28 bore in the TP-82.
Or alternatively, you could just stay in the capsule until help arrived. Unless Russian bears can open space capsule hatches?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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mko9 said:
tertius said:
captain_cynic said:
Greg_D said:
they really do weigh a lot more, i'm a reasonably experienced shot and know the relative weights of most types of firearm. A pump action shotgun with 6 cartridges loaded will weigh probably treble a similarly equipped pistol, and will take up probably 5x the space. if an astronaut can't be trained to fire a pistol vaguely straight into the centre of mass of a bear, they probably shouldn't even be on the mission....
Erm... the pistol with two shotgun shells linked to above is 2.4 KG with stock, a .50 desert eagle is 1.8 KG. Not really going to make much of a difference.

I'm calling bks on you being an actual shooter if you think a small shotgun is 5 times as big as a large calibre pistol. A sawn off pump action will easily be under 3KG and maybe occupy twice the space, less if it has a folding stock... However a combination gun was made. It was a breech loader because if you cant neutralise the bear with one or two shots, you were bear food.

Also, pilots were not chosen for their marksmanship and you can put a .45 round into a bear and it will keep charging unless you hit something vital. The time saved by not having to aim accurately was the difference between life and death. Bears are big creatures.
To be fair I think GregD was comenting on the initial claim that they took a “shotgun” (and not a small barrelled pistol configuration drilling) as a standard shotgun is undoubtedly a lot larger than a pistol.; and the ammunition much bulkier.

I personally would be rather doubtful of the effectiveness of any shotgun round against a bear, let alone the (rather small) 28 bore in the TP-82.
Or alternatively, you could just stay in the capsule until help arrived. Unless Russian bears can open space capsule hatches?
After the, umm, 'dramas' of re-entry from orbit, I imagine the lads inside will need some fresh air PDQ. And new pants.

Greg_D

6,542 posts

247 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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This whole hypothetical bear business got me curious, so I looked a few things up and a .45 wouldn’t get the job done by common consensus. so a sawn off shotgun running slugs is the only effective option that can be ‘shrunk’ for weight and packaging purposes

glazbagun

14,280 posts

198 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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fomb said:
Mr2Mike said:
1) It's nowhere near 40%, much lower.
2) The holes are too small to flow any appreciable amount of air, even though there are many of them.
Also, fluid dynamics would dictate that those holes would become effectively blocked by turbulence when in anything more than a light breeze
Surely the holes make it less likely it will act as a wing/sail and be pulled around. The pressure difference between front and back can never be too great thanks to the holes.

If it were a solid sheet the wind could produce hight/low pressure regions and make it shake.

Captain Smerc

3,022 posts

117 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Rawwr said:
There are 80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636,856,403,766,975,289,505,440,883,277,824,000,000,000,000 different possible permutations for a a shuffled deck of cards (52!). To shuffle every possible permutation, assuming that you can shuffle a different permutation every second...

Start by picking your favorite spot on the equator. You're going to walk around the world along the equator, but take a very leisurely pace of one step every billion years. The equatorial circumference of the Earth is 40,075,017 meters. Make sure to pack a deck of playing cards, so you can get in a few trillion hands of solitaire between steps.

After you complete your round the world trip, remove one drop of water from the Pacific Ocean. Now do the same thing again: walk around the world at one billion years per step, removing one drop of water from the Pacific Ocean each time you circle the globe. The Pacific Ocean contains 707.6 million cubic kilometers of water. Continue until the ocean is empty. When it is, take one sheet of paper and place it flat on the ground. Now, fill the ocean back up and start the entire process all over again, adding a sheet of paper to the stack each time you’ve emptied the ocean.

Do this until the stack of paper reaches from the Earth to the Sun. Take a glance at the timer, you will see that the three left-most digits haven’t even changed. You still have 8.063e67 more seconds to go. 1 Astronomical Unit, the distance from the Earth to the Sun, is defined as 149,597,870.691 kilometers. So, take the stack of papers down and do it all over again. One thousand times more. Unfortunately, that still won’t do it. There are still more than 5.385e67 seconds remaining. You’re just about a third of the way done.

To pass the remaining time, start shuffling your deck of cards. Every billion years deal yourself a 5-card poker hand. Each time you get a royal flush, buy yourself a lottery ticket. A royal flush occurs in one out of every 649,740 hands. If that ticket wins the jackpot, throw a grain of sand into the Grand Canyon. Keep going and when you’ve filled up the canyon with sand, remove one ounce of rock from Mt. Everest. Now empty the canyon and start all over again. When you’ve levelled Mt. Everest, look at the timer, you still have 5.364e67 seconds remaining. Mt. Everest weighs about 357 trillion pounds. You barely made a dent. If you were to repeat this 255 times, you would still be looking at 3.024e64 seconds. The timer would finally reach zero sometime during your 256th attempt.

(god I love that)

Edited by Rawwr on Thursday 14th June 14:19
Dude , that's a lot of time on your hands , have you considered getting a job ?

Vaud

50,572 posts

156 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Watchman said:
SpeckledJim said:
Why is it an aqueduct, instead of an aquaduct?
And why didn't my spell checker pull me up on that?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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Vaud said:
Watchman said:
SpeckledJim said:
Why is it an aqueduct, instead of an aquaduct?
And why didn't my spell checker pull me up on that?
Well, that’s a bloody good answer.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
Vaud said:
Watchman said:
SpeckledJim said:
Why is it an aqueduct, instead of an aquaduct?
And why didn't my spell checker pull me up on that?
Well, that’s a bloody good answer.
To further embolden the point, it's plural - leader of waters, rather than water.

Stan the Bat

8,932 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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tertius said:
P-Jay said:
Timmy45 said:
  • / carefully opens PnP door */
yikes

  • / closes door hoping the two psychopathic nutters having a shouting match about what guns kill bears haven't noticed */
The odd thing about the argument is neither party takes much interest in the Russians, you would think they put a bit of thought into it and came up with the pistol cum sawn off shotgun / rifle thing, but nah. Someone on PH 30 years later reckons they've cracked it solo in a few mins.
Though if you follow the link to the Wiki article, it says the special ammunition the TP-82 uses is no longer viable, so they’ve replaced it with a standard semi-auto pistol. Which is what Greg_D suggested they use, so in fact he did!
Plenty of choice.



Timmy45

12,915 posts

199 months

Friday 15th June 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
tertius said:
P-Jay said:
Timmy45 said:
  • / carefully opens PnP door */
yikes

  • / closes door hoping the two psychopathic nutters having a shouting match about what guns kill bears haven't noticed */
The odd thing about the argument is neither party takes much interest in the Russians, you would think they put a bit of thought into it and came up with the pistol cum sawn off shotgun / rifle thing, but nah. Someone on PH 30 years later reckons they've cracked it solo in a few mins.
Though if you follow the link to the Wiki article, it says the special ammunition the TP-82 uses is no longer viable, so they’ve replaced it with a standard semi-auto pistol. Which is what Greg_D suggested they use, so in fact he did!
Plenty of choice.


I use No 27. Takes a deer down in no uncertain terms. And I know people use them for Moose over in Canada/the States. But that's a rifle so probably not good for fitting in a space capsule.

Surely the best defence against a bear is having a better pair of running shoes than your other cosmonaut buddies?

Halmyre

11,209 posts

140 months

Friday 15th June 2018
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Timmy45 said:
Stan the Bat said:
tertius said:
P-Jay said:
Timmy45 said:
  • / carefully opens PnP door */
yikes

  • / closes door hoping the two psychopathic nutters having a shouting match about what guns kill bears haven't noticed */
The odd thing about the argument is neither party takes much interest in the Russians, you would think they put a bit of thought into it and came up with the pistol cum sawn off shotgun / rifle thing, but nah. Someone on PH 30 years later reckons they've cracked it solo in a few mins.
Though if you follow the link to the Wiki article, it says the special ammunition the TP-82 uses is no longer viable, so they’ve replaced it with a standard semi-auto pistol. Which is what Greg_D suggested they use, so in fact he did!
Plenty of choice.


I use No 27. Takes a deer down in no uncertain terms. And I know people use them for Moose over in Canada/the States. But that's a rifle so probably not good for fitting in a space capsule.

Surely the best defence against a bear is having a better pair of running shoes than your other cosmonaut buddies?
Or you could just hide in the capsule.


carguy45

221 posts

165 months

Friday 15th June 2018
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Can't believe the amount of conversation my little cosmonauts post led to LOL

Personally, I'd have left the shotgun and taken a jar of honey to keep the bear distracted. Make love, not war.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Friday 15th June 2018
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carguy45 said:
Can't believe the amount of conversation my little cosmonauts post led to LOL

Personally, I'd have left the shotgun and taken a jar of honey to keep the bear distracted. Make love, not war.
Tigger? That you?

davhill

5,263 posts

185 months

Friday 15th June 2018
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Timmy45 said:
Surely the best defence against a bear is having a better pair of running shoes than your other cosmonaut buddies?
Better to have cosmonaut buddies who run very slowly.

Sheets Tabuer

18,972 posts

216 months

Friday 15th June 2018
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carguy45 said:
taken a jar of honey to keep the bear distracted. Make love, not war.
Why would you want to make love to a bear?

SpudLink

5,830 posts

193 months

Saturday 16th June 2018
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Sheets Tabuer said:
carguy45 said:
taken a jar of honey to keep the bear distracted. Make love, not war.
Why would you want to make love to a bear?
You guys are suggesting cosmonauts use honey to entice Siberian bears into some kind of interspecies liaison? WTF?