Gambling culture concerns ??
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At a society level, having a National Lottery allows people with very little, to believe they have a chance to get rich without working for it. This must discourage some of them from doing what it takes ot set up their own business and striving to better themselves.
The other issue is that gambling exploits those of limited intellect and with addictive personalities. The odds are always stacked against the punter.
Gambling does have its uses though. If you want to shut up a frequent bulls****er at work, when you are absolutely certain they are spouting rubbish again, try, "Let's put a bet on that, and then research the correct answer. What shall we say, a thousand quid? Shake?"
If people who have cash to spare want to have a flutter for a bit of fun and know they will probably lose the lot, that's fine. Bookies need to eat and feed their kids like the rest of us.
The other issue is that gambling exploits those of limited intellect and with addictive personalities. The odds are always stacked against the punter.
Gambling does have its uses though. If you want to shut up a frequent bulls****er at work, when you are absolutely certain they are spouting rubbish again, try, "Let's put a bet on that, and then research the correct answer. What shall we say, a thousand quid? Shake?"
If people who have cash to spare want to have a flutter for a bit of fun and know they will probably lose the lot, that's fine. Bookies need to eat and feed their kids like the rest of us.
lord trumpton said:
Victoria Coren Mitchell has won over £2.6M playing poker
Poker is a game of skill when played between people at a table with other humans. There's a big difference between corporate book keeping, casino gambling, machine gaming and playing poker.
To address the op I've been hugely concerned about the rise and acceptance of gambling culture in the UK since the turn of the century and I'm no puritan but if i had my way it would be pushed back into the backrooms and fag stained dives that i associate it with from my youth. The studies on addiction the brain chemistry and behaviour involved seem pretty clear and having witnessed at close quarters the effects gambling addiction can have on people I think we'll look back in years to come and ask... Wtf!?
It's never been easier, which I think isn't a great thing. Just need an app and a bank card and off you go - don't even need to get off the couch, or bog.
I don't have an addictive personality so have only gambled about 3 times in my life, so struggle to understand the issue but you see it destroys lives.
I don't have an addictive personality so have only gambled about 3 times in my life, so struggle to understand the issue but you see it destroys lives.
The chemistry, physiology and evolutionary reasons why risk is rewarding...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC38450...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC38450...
GliderRider said:
At a society level, having a National Lottery allows people with very little, to believe they have a chance to get rich without working for it. This must discourage some of them from doing what it takes ot set up their own business and striving to better themselves.
You're being ironic, right? 
I mean, you don't seriously believe there are people out there thinking 'I'll set up a textile business, organise a factory, employ some workers, establish a few contacts and within a year or two should have a viable and hopefully successful business. Oh no, wait, I think I'll play the lottery instead and see if I can win that'.
It does worry me, it messes people’s lives up big time!
I was into matched betting for a while and I saw the amount of advertising and bull that comes out of these bookies, shocking really.
I had a career change and whilst I was at the college I was doing my apprenticeship in I saw so many kids gambling and down to there last 10 / 20 pound chucking it on accumulators! They couldn’t believe I ended up £300 up in Cheltenham festival with gambling.
I’m not for banning things as such, and i don’t like things like the smoking ban, but it is extremely successful and helps our future generation I think, I honestly believe gambling adverts need to be banned or done in a Plan way like fag packets some how, it’s not the person who is gambling I care about, it’s there family / wife / kids etc
I was into matched betting for a while and I saw the amount of advertising and bull that comes out of these bookies, shocking really.
I had a career change and whilst I was at the college I was doing my apprenticeship in I saw so many kids gambling and down to there last 10 / 20 pound chucking it on accumulators! They couldn’t believe I ended up £300 up in Cheltenham festival with gambling.
I’m not for banning things as such, and i don’t like things like the smoking ban, but it is extremely successful and helps our future generation I think, I honestly believe gambling adverts need to be banned or done in a Plan way like fag packets some how, it’s not the person who is gambling I care about, it’s there family / wife / kids etc
It's a tricky one as the government and councils want it. Betting shops prop up many high streets now, especially in poorer areas, where they're often just hubs for fixed odds betting terminals.
Some new people gamble sensibly, and I know a few blokes who gamble but none are 'winners'. A few make small wins and losses and keep themselves on an even keel (losing overall long-term but not so much they lose their shirt). A few are compulsive gamblers who have lost considerable sums.
Some new people gamble sensibly, and I know a few blokes who gamble but none are 'winners'. A few make small wins and losses and keep themselves on an even keel (losing overall long-term but not so much they lose their shirt). A few are compulsive gamblers who have lost considerable sums.
I've never bet on anything, never gone into a betting shop, or even put money into a slot machine. sad possibly but I don't feel i missed out
I also don't watch a lot of live TV. but when i'm fast forwarding adverts i've recorded I have noticed a huge amount of gambling adverts on TV.
between say Moto GP racing loads of gambling adverts.
I thought this was a concern for people who may struggle not to bet or have gambling issues when it seems to be everyware. Twitter adverts about gambling coming up for no reason on my feed. most social network.
just my views on this that I was thinking about over the last few months myself
I also don't watch a lot of live TV. but when i'm fast forwarding adverts i've recorded I have noticed a huge amount of gambling adverts on TV.
between say Moto GP racing loads of gambling adverts.
I thought this was a concern for people who may struggle not to bet or have gambling issues when it seems to be everyware. Twitter adverts about gambling coming up for no reason on my feed. most social network.
just my views on this that I was thinking about over the last few months myself
Yipper said:
By international benchmarks, the UK doesn't lose a huge amount on gambling. It's not really a major issue. Countries like Australia and Italy have a far worse problem.
That's like saying Typhoid is worse than Cholera. One might kill more than the other, but you'd prefer to catch neither. So just because other countries have a bigger gambling issue doesn't diminish the issue in the UK. Going by your figures it equates to an average loss of approximately £250 per year by every person in this country. I know I didn't lose £250 last year on gambling, so someone out there lost my £250 as well as their own. My parents and sister don't gamble either, so that's another £750 hit for someone else.It's scary just how easy it is to gamble. An internet connection and credit card and you're away, and with no self control someone can burn through hundreds, if not thousands of pounds in a matter of minutes. Plus the advertising is shoved in your face wherever you go. Loads of TV adverts for Bingo websites (and without wishing to sound snobbish, those aren't exactly targeted at wealthy PH directors). Go online and loads of gambling adverts again. And if you watch any football on TV then at some point Ray Winstone will tell you to "gamble you slag".
I don't understand how the adverts are allowed the way they are.
You can't advertise a car using speed, it's bad.
You can't advertise tobacco because it is bad.
You can't advertise drinking as fun, it's bad.
However, you can advertise gambling as a fun rosy pastime full of winners with lots of happy successful friends. You can even give people a free 20 quid get to get them hooked.
Imagine if that was tobacco? Hey, kids. Here's loads of happy healthy people having fun with a lambert. Here's 20 Benson to get you started.
Apart from the drug dealer style "get them hooked and exploit them" tactics, surely the advertising standards people should crack down on this message that on average people win and are happy, rather than the average punter losing and being unhappy?
You can't advertise a car using speed, it's bad.
You can't advertise tobacco because it is bad.
You can't advertise drinking as fun, it's bad.
However, you can advertise gambling as a fun rosy pastime full of winners with lots of happy successful friends. You can even give people a free 20 quid get to get them hooked.
Imagine if that was tobacco? Hey, kids. Here's loads of happy healthy people having fun with a lambert. Here's 20 Benson to get you started.
Apart from the drug dealer style "get them hooked and exploit them" tactics, surely the advertising standards people should crack down on this message that on average people win and are happy, rather than the average punter losing and being unhappy?
Some Gump said:
I don't understand how the adverts are allowed the way they are.
You can't advertise a car using speed, it's bad.
You can't advertise tobacco because it is bad.
You can't advertise drinking as fun, it's bad.
However, you can advertise gambling as a fun rosy pastime full of winners with lots of happy successful friends. You can even give people a free 20 quid get to get them hooked.
Imagine if that was tobacco? Hey, kids. Here's loads of happy healthy people having fun with a lambert. Here's 20 Benson to get you started.
Apart from the drug dealer style "get them hooked and exploit them" tactics, surely the advertising standards people should crack down on this message that on average people win and are happy, rather than the average punter losing and being unhappy?
Agreed, but isn't that just a matter of numbers? If it truly is a burden on society, they will measure it.You can't advertise a car using speed, it's bad.
You can't advertise tobacco because it is bad.
You can't advertise drinking as fun, it's bad.
However, you can advertise gambling as a fun rosy pastime full of winners with lots of happy successful friends. You can even give people a free 20 quid get to get them hooked.
Imagine if that was tobacco? Hey, kids. Here's loads of happy healthy people having fun with a lambert. Here's 20 Benson to get you started.
Apart from the drug dealer style "get them hooked and exploit them" tactics, surely the advertising standards people should crack down on this message that on average people win and are happy, rather than the average punter losing and being unhappy?
Whichever way you turn it, traffic deaths are a major cause of death. And a lot of these occur in the weekends, at night, by young men. It has been on a steady decline, I believe largely due to much safer cars (airbags, abs, crumple zones, seatbelts,...) but those that still manage to kill themselves are either freak accidents or very high speed ones.
Cancer is another major premature killer. Tobacco has been proven to increase the chances on lung cancer exponentially.
Sorry, but in this case imho it's comparing a serial killer, a rapist and a con artist and saying it's not fair because the con artist stole people's money so he also ruins people's lives.
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