What are your unpopular opinions?
Discussion
Nom de ploom said:
Integroo said:
Re Tony Blair: He (and New Labour) dragged the Labour party into relevance, and unless Corbyn and Co are replaced by a politician of a similar quality, the Labour party will fade into obscurity.
i agree with the first part but not the second.any pro blair chat on here is usually shot down by the majority right wing ultras on PH and it has been like that for years.
I can see how the passing of time might allow for what Blair did to be viewed less harshly - i.e. did the best with the information available at the time. Having said that - and its much more complicated is the decisions based on the quality of that information were extremely questionable.
the leader of the Labour party taking the country into a war on foreign land is imho not forgivable.
Blair was a principled and progressive politician, and the modern view that he was greedy, selfish and war-mongering is insulting. He truly is one of the greats of modern politics.
I also reject any criticism of "that's not what a Labour poltician should have done". Blair was crucial in re-inventing the Labour party as one that was modern, liberal and progressive - and, crucially, electable.
Nanook said:
legless said:
singlecoil said:
Air travel should be much more expensive. There's far too many people jetting around the world for various trivial reasons, using up fossil fuel that isn't being replaced.
Agreed. I regularly make business trips to suppliers based in central London and in Barcelona. You know that something's seriously f
ked up when I buy return flights to Barcelona for literally half the price of a return train ticket to Euston from my home in Warwickshire. Flying on a full 737 from London to Barcelona uses much less fuel than you'd use to drive there.
It's cheap because it's efficient.
ClaphamGT3 said:
Nigel Farage is a lying, fraudulent confidence trickster who has done lasting harm to this country and who should be prosecuted and, hopefully, imprisoned for a very long time
Replace Farage with all politicians, I genuinely despise the political system in this country,it is a joke.Who actually feels like they are represented?
joshcowin said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Nigel Farage is a lying, fraudulent confidence trickster who has done lasting harm to this country and who should be prosecuted and, hopefully, imprisoned for a very long time
Replace Farage with all politicians, I genuinely despise the political system in this country,it is a joke.Who actually feels like they are represented?
If they were, it wouldn't be representative . . .
The NHS is a fantastic thing and the envy of the world. Aniran Bevan was a visionary genius!
With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
Bright Halo said:
The NHS is a fantastic thing and the envy of the world. Aniran Bevan was a visionary genius!
With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
I have a better idea. Increase taxes on the wealthy. Use the funds raised to pay for the NHS. With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
Bright Halo said:
The NHS is a fantastic thing and the envy of the world. Aniran Bevan was a visionary genius!
With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
With respect prevailing benefits/self entitled culture including the NHS is the bane of modern UK society. The obese, smokers, alcohol/drug abusers should pay for treatment and review their lifestyle choices. Hard workers are not working hard to prop up professional doleites, multi child families that can not afford their off spring without state hand outs and other Daily Mail type wailing that I have some sympathy with. Privatize the NHS.With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
The Daily Mail is no worse than any other fear mongering rag.
Jaroon said:
Bright Halo said:
The NHS is a fantastic thing and the envy of the world. Aniran Bevan was a visionary genius!
With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
With respect prevailing benefits/self entitled culture including the NHS is the bane of modern UK society. The obese, smokers, alcohol/drug abusers should pay for treatment and review their lifestyle choices. Hard workers are not working hard to prop up professional doleites, multi child families that can not afford their off spring without state hand outs and other Daily Mail type wailing that I have some sympathy with. Privatize the NHS.With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
The Daily Mail is no worse than any other fear mongering rag.
Oh, and hard-working, working class (or middle class) families who have the misfortune of breaking a leg, or getting a life threatening disease, or whatever, should become bankrupt for their misfortune.
You are wrongly equating hard work to wealth.
Bright Halo said:
There are a lot of very hard working people in the NHS.
There is a lot of wasted time and resource in the NHS
fact.There is a lot of wasted time and resource in the NHS
well said indeed.
Can anyone name a major strategic IT project successfully implemented in the NHS over the last 10 years?
by succesful I mean two out of three of
Did what it intended to do i.e. delivered the specification
was delivered on time
was delivered on budget.
I might add another controversial topic potentially.
Outsourcing public services to the private sector does not work in all cases. ref Capita PCSE, Capita MOJ security vetting - both of which have impacted adversly on my life in 2017 very significantly.
Carrillion also springs to mind....
The 80's was a terrible decade, which is seen through rose tinted specs.
A leader who adored greed
Terrible fashion
Terrible permed hair
Terrible music
Sky high interest rates
Jimmy Saville everywhere
Homophobia rife
NHS and education in a terrible state
And from a PH perspective, by and large bland dire cars
A leader who adored greed
Terrible fashion
Terrible permed hair
Terrible music
Sky high interest rates
Jimmy Saville everywhere
Homophobia rife
NHS and education in a terrible state
And from a PH perspective, by and large bland dire cars
Most of what the human race has invented or discovered was the easy pickings, the apples hanging lowest from the tree.
We will never really invent anything major to benefit the human race regarding space travel, time travel or anti-gravity. Everything from now on will be on the back of what we've already discovered, just little advances.
We will never really invent anything major to benefit the human race regarding space travel, time travel or anti-gravity. Everything from now on will be on the back of what we've already discovered, just little advances.
Bright Halo said:
The NHS is a fantastic thing and the envy of the world. Aniran Bevan was a visionary genius!
With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
Wholeheartedly agree apart from the bit in bold. The alternative is a core of treatments that all citizens (EHIC holders for now) are entitled to - accidents, common diseases/infections etc. Anything cosmetic, self induced (cue debate over addictions) or over a cost threshold (eg rare cancer treatments for 6-figures) would be the citizen's own responsibility to insure against.With increasing and longer lived population combined with scientific discoveries producing more and more expensive advanced treatments society cannot possibly continue to afford it.
The only way forward is for it to be means tested. Those who can afford to pay should. Changing world, changing rules.
It boiled my piss last night (and my wife's) watching the news about smear test rates falling because young women are "embarrassed about their bodies". If any woman who refuses a smear test expects me as a tax payer to pick up the much bigger tab for subsequent cervical cancer treatment they can f
k right off. Wife said pretty much the same to our 14 year old daughter too.Edited by Speed 3 on Tuesday 23 January 11:01
Integroo said:
You are wrongly equating hard work to wealth.
Which is something that is rife on pistonheads. I wish I had a pound for every time someone offered the solution to not being able to afford something, as "work harder". If only it were that simple...In fact, possibly one for this thread: "Working harder is no guarantee of success or make you richer".
Edited by TameRacingDriver on Tuesday 23 January 11:19
Fastchas said:
Most of what the human race has invented or discovered was the easy pickings, the apples hanging lowest from the tree.
We will never really invent anything major to benefit the human race regarding space travel, time travel or anti-gravity. Everything from now on will be on the back of what we've already discovered, just little advances.
Quantum computers are on track, these would change a loot of stuff.We will never really invent anything major to benefit the human race regarding space travel, time travel or anti-gravity. Everything from now on will be on the back of what we've already discovered, just little advances.
Fastchas said:
Most of what the human race has invented or discovered was the easy pickings, the apples hanging lowest from the tree.
We will never really invent anything major to benefit the human race regarding space travel, time travel or anti-gravity. Everything from now on will be on the back of what we've already discovered, just little advances.
Linked to a post someone made a few pages back regarding the Hybrid Vigour being the beneficial outcome of inter-racial breeding, there are several theories that the breeding across races will become increasingly profound to a point where there will be a common skin colour. The evolutionary outcome of this is an abundance of super-smart people that recognise the abstract notion of politics, borders and the like, removing such hindrances to human progression.We will never really invent anything major to benefit the human race regarding space travel, time travel or anti-gravity. Everything from now on will be on the back of what we've already discovered, just little advances.
These theories suggest that a critical mass will be arrived at where the entire human species will work together as a single mass and not as individuals or individual groups. At this point, the rise in scientific endeavour and discovery will become exponential and unlimited to levels that we are unable to currently comprehend.
Obviously only a theory and one that's unlikely to be proven any time soon......but I rather like the idea.
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