What are your unpopular opinions?

What are your unpopular opinions?

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captain_cynic

12,066 posts

96 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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alock said:
anonymous said:
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Minimum wage * 37.5 hours/week * 20 = ~£300k/year

Do we start by cutting the pay of every tax funded person who is paid above this value?

The BBC and National Rail will be the first to object.
Honestly, it's pointless as they'll just give them the max salary and find other ways to remunerate them. Google's CEO's take the $1 salary, but are fking billionaires because they hold large swaths of dividend paying stocks.

I absolutely agree we need to come down hard on tax evasion at the top (won't happen because many politicians are the high level tax evaders) but limiting high end salaries is a feel good move that is ultimately pointless.

Blown2CV

28,870 posts

204 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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limits to top end salaries / 90% tax for 'the rich' / take their houses off them and use them to house the homeless / etc etc

... are all amazing ideas are all coming from people who are thoroughly bitter that they didn't try hard enough in school.

Blown2CV

28,870 posts

204 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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anonymous said:
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everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.

Tired

259 posts

64 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Blown2CV said:
everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.
Aye cash business but, innit.

Doesn't count. Not like those rich s...

Blown2CV

28,870 posts

204 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Tired said:
Blown2CV said:
everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.
Aye cash business but, innit.

Doesn't count. Not like those rich s...
aye pretty much. If it's a particular type of tax avoidance that only makes sense if you have a certain level of income, then it must be bad because those other people over there, rich s, are doing it. If it is tax avoidance that I can use at my level of income then fair enough guv innit, do what you to survive boss narmsayin.

bristolbaron

4,837 posts

213 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Blown2CV said:
everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.
You’re not implying people doing cash in hand work don’t declare their earning to HMRC are you? I can’t believe a builder/(insert other trade here) with the ‘coming over here, living off our taxes’ mentality does any undeclared work!

slipstream 1985

12,246 posts

180 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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anonymous said:
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"poor" peoples solution is always to award themselves more money for doing nothing extra.

Blown2CV

28,870 posts

204 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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anonymous said:
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they don't 'argue for it', but they do often bring a fkload of employment and other revenue to the exchequer and so end up with breaks on other things.

I'd much rather we use economics too, look at the overall whole and use actual facts rather than just ALL RICH PEOPLE ARE S. which seems to be what you're saying (and is often said by thickos who don't get it).

captain_cynic

12,066 posts

96 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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slipstream 1985 said:
"poor" peoples solution is always to award themselves more money for doing nothing extra.
And other myths you like to believe because they make you fee superior about being mediocre.

It ignores all the people who work hard at minimum or low wage jobs, yet are still poor. What most poor people want is access to training and better employment opportunities.

If anything, I find it's the middle class that are the biggest bunch of lazy whingers. They're born into a nice house in a nice neighbourhood. Get a decent education (paid for mainly by the state), then get given good jobs because of it. When they pop out a sprog, they're the first to go hand outstretched to the government for assistance.

Killing every welfare programme for the poor will save us the square root of fk all.

However it's easier to demonise a Daily Express view of the poor... without realising that that is a stereotype that does not represent the overwhelming majority of poor people at all.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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anonymous said:
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I'd love to see these examples of "multiple countries".

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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toppstuff said:
Countdown said:
Just because a restaurant serves food which is “locally sourced” doesn’t mean it’s actually any better than food which has been sourced from 24,000 miles away.
Depends by what you mean by "better".

For me, it is much better because I want to always support local produce wherever possible and I'm picky about what I eat these days.
Exactly this. Just saying "better" suggests a lack of vocabulary or a lack of strong opinion about the issue.
I love food, and I love supporting local producers. While it might not taste appreciably better than lamb from NZ, it makes me happier to eat lamb that was sourced from 10min down the road.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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bristolbaron said:
Blown2CV said:
everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.
You’re not implying people doing cash in hand work don’t declare their earning to HMRC are you? I can’t believe a builder/(insert other trade here) with the ‘coming over here, living off our taxes’ mentality does any undeclared work!
No taxi driver has ever done that. Never.

Blown2CV

28,870 posts

204 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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C70R said:
bristolbaron said:
Blown2CV said:
everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.
You’re not implying people doing cash in hand work don’t declare their earning to HMRC are you? I can’t believe a builder/(insert other trade here) with the ‘coming over here, living off our taxes’ mentality does any undeclared work!
No taxi driver has ever done that. Never.
card machine's broke mate

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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techiedave said:
I like Murder She Wrote
Diane Abbott is one thing, but liking Murder She Wrote is a step too far.

Frank7

6,619 posts

88 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Blown2CV said:
C70R said:
bristolbaron said:
Blown2CV said:
everyone is allowed to discuss anything they want. Anyone is free to make comment and ridicule an opinion if they wish too.

I think everyone needs to pay more tax, personally. However people need to understand that a greater tax revenue would be brought from lower income brackets than from higher, due to the sheer numbers of people, if everyone paid their way of course.

I am not defending tax avoidance/evasion, and personally I pay a lot of tax, but there are plenty of self-employed etc at the lower end of the income scale fiddling tax as well as any more wealthy people doing the same, and that way it has always been.
You’re not implying people doing cash in hand work don’t declare their earning to HMRC are you? I can’t believe a builder/(insert other trade here) with the ‘coming over here, living off our taxes’ mentality does any undeclared work!
No taxi driver has ever done that. Never.
card machine's broke mate
‘Thinks’, shall I step in? mulls it over..........., decides no,
takes a seat on the sideline, awaits developments, if any.

Tired

259 posts

64 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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Frank7 said:
‘Thinks’, shall I step in? mulls it over..........., decides no,
takes a seat on the sideline, awaits developments, if any.
You know it's true.

Perhaps you never did it. But don't pretend it doesn't happen.

andy_s

19,405 posts

260 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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anonymous said:
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I think we should be careful to recognise the critical distinctions between National Socialism, Socialism and Social Democracy.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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How about China? They've done pretty well.

Though mainly by ditching the economic bits of socialism and just keeping the "oppressive one party state" bit. hehe

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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anonymous said:
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This is why I asked for examples, to see if his "versions" were as expected. If you think that those countries' governances represent "socialism", then I can't really help you any further.

andy_s

19,405 posts

260 months

Thursday 31st January 2019
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captain_cynic said:
slipstream 1985 said:
"poor" peoples solution is always to award themselves more money for doing nothing extra.
And other myths you like to believe because they make you fee superior about being mediocre.

It ignores all the people who work hard at minimum or low wage jobs, yet are still poor. What most poor people want is access to training and better employment opportunities.

If anything, I find it's the middle class that are the biggest bunch of lazy whingers. They're born into a nice house in a nice neighbourhood. Get a decent education (paid for mainly by the state), then get given good jobs because of it. When they pop out a sprog, they're the first to go hand outstretched to the government for assistance.

Killing every welfare programme for the poor will save us the square root of fk all.

However it's easier to demonise a Daily Express view of the poor... without realising that that is a stereotype that does not represent the overwhelming majority of poor people at all.
It should be the aim to present people with as equal an opportunity as possible to make what they will of themselves, but it should be borne in mind that society is as complex as the amount of people in it and any hierarchical structure will necessarily not be able to accommodate everyone the further up you go - whether that be power, status or money. There will always be potential perceptions of injustice in comparison to whoever is ahead of you in the fiscal sense, however sometimes we forget to remind ourselves that despite these relative injustices how better off we all are in comparison to our ancestors.

Denigrating the poor as malevolent scroungers is far from reality and suggests a bias borne from the worst tawdry red tops. In my experience a few are but most aren't, and we can say that about the rich or the tall or the blonde or any other way you want to slice society.

Things exist in plain sight every day that show you how and why exact equality cannot nor will not exist; Internet companies, composers of classical music, Vloggers, PhD students, authors, in fact almost any human endeavour presents inequalities. It is described well in Price's Law and is evident everywhere you look and when you think about it, makes sense, if not 'justice'. The truth is that the rich should not get too far from the poor and the poor should not consume the host. Either leads inevitably to catastrophe for all.
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