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AC123 said:
No, it would turn to scrubland which is actually a poor carbon sink.
Grassland is even better than woodland.
Two completely false statements.Grassland is even better than woodland.
In dry environments, grass is a more reliable sink because it's less likely to burn like in California forest fires.
But in British climate both the soil and vegetation capture of carbon is better with woodland.
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AC123 said:
Cattle in over winter as not enough grass growing for them to eat. They are fed silage, which is simply fermented grass. The muck from the winter is spread in the spring to help the grass grow and reduces the need for artificial fertiliser (the manufacture of which is highly polluting).
The standards allow for that - but it is far from mandatory, Why would you want the expense of keeping them inside if you don't have to! The only reason for that is the weather. It is not fair for the livestock to be stuck in a cold, muddy field with nothing to eat purely because you have to or you'd lose your organic/grass fed status. It's not all black and white
Firstly, hardy livestock can withstand British weather. If they can't, it's because you've chosen productivity over hardiness.The standards allow for that - but it is far from mandatory, Why would you want the expense of keeping them inside if you don't have to! The only reason for that is the weather. It is not fair for the livestock to be stuck in a cold, muddy field with nothing to eat purely because you have to or you'd lose your organic/grass fed status. It's not all black and white
Silage comes with multiple pollution issues, including liquid waste. If it was simply grass, then you'd happily get in a silo with it?
Evanivitch said:
Flibble said:
Animals eat crops that humans don't. You get best efficiency by having both.
Evidence? Because that's a completely false statement.Animals are often fed concentrates and supplementation from beet, soya and other crops which humans are perfectly capable of eating.
Just because animals can eat human food doesn't mean they must. Don't fall into the same logical trap you're decrying.
Evanivitch said:
Evidence? Because that's a completely false statement.
Animals are often fed concentrates and supplementation from beet, soya and other crops which humans are perfectly capable of eating.
So you don't have a problem with animals that are farmed without supplementary feeding then?Animals are often fed concentrates and supplementation from beet, soya and other crops which humans are perfectly capable of eating.
Evanivitch said:
Firstly, hardy livestock can withstand British weather. If they can't, it's because you've chosen productivity over hardiness.
Silage comes with multiple pollution issues, including liquid waste. If it was simply grass, then you'd happily get in a silo with it?
Firstly, where do you draw your experience with livestock from?Silage comes with multiple pollution issues, including liquid waste. If it was simply grass, then you'd happily get in a silo with it?
"Hardy" livestock still poach their field up, turn it to mud and have nothing to eat.
When was the last time you made silage? We ensure our silage is clamped at high dry matter meaning there is no "liquid waste" (effluent if you knew what you were talking about).
No one puts silage in a silo any more, and haven't for 50 years. Further proof that you have no idea what you're on about. ButI have no problems lying on my silage clamp. Why would I.
It's amazing how someone with such little knowledge is determined to be a know-it-all.
Flibble said:
Evanivitch said:
Flibble said:
Animals eat crops that humans don't. You get best efficiency by having both.
Evidence? Because that's a completely false statement.Animals are often fed concentrates and supplementation from beet, soya and other crops which humans are perfectly capable of eating.
Just because animals can eat human food doesn't mean they must. Don't fall into the same logical trap you're decrying.
But that's nowhere close to the level of feed needed to sustain modern farming methods and expected productivity.
So again, you've made a statement of fact. Prove it. Efficiency is one of the most logical arguments for lower meat consumption simply because it is quantifiable.
Evanivitch said:
The Moose said:
DoubleD said:
Evanivitch said:
AC123 said:
There is absolutely no good reason to be a vegan.
There's no good reason to eat meat either.The Moose said:
I know you’re being a berk, however I am interested in cellular agriculture.
I think everyone is, and it's the holy grail of both vegans and most others.But as this thread demonstrates, even when everything else is equivalent, some people only want to eat slaughtered meat because that's manly...
like many people i eat a mixed diet, with some vegetarian, and some meat. I don't feel this is either unethical or unhealthy (the booze provides the latter at least though, but that's a side issue). I don't feel I need to justify the meat I do eat and prove why I do it, as I think the mixed nature of my diet means, bluntly, go bother someone else with the preaching. Maybe one of those 'full english for breakfast and meat and 2 veg lunch and dinner, and none of yer foreign muck' baby boomers. We are meant to have a mixed diet, it's how we are configured. Vegetable people can be at pains to justify the vegan/vegetarian "yea but you won't die" or maybe "you can take supplements" or "look mo farah is a vegan!" type stuff but i don't really care, because it still feels like you're exerting effort working against and around what we are meant to be eating. The recent upsurge in popularity comes from social media and people wanting to be seen to be ethical. Only a minority of those will stick it out, especially those trying veganism.
Evanivitch said:
I think everyone is, and it's the holy grail of both vegans and most others.
But as this thread demonstrates, even when everything else is equivalent, some people only want to eat slaughtered meat because that's manly...
It also demonstrates perfectly that vegans refuse to look at the bigger picture and support a model of livestock farming that encompasses less animal deaths and environmental issues than the many vegan alternatives.But as this thread demonstrates, even when everything else is equivalent, some people only want to eat slaughtered meat because that's manly...
You keep eating your tofu, made from soy farmed and flown thousands of miles away.
AC123 said:
It also demonstrates perfectly that vegans refuse to look at the bigger picture and support a model of livestock farming that encompasses less animal deaths and environmental issues than the many vegan alternatives.
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Prove it. You keep making grand statements of fact with no reference. .
What's your position on Badger culls? Reintroduced apex predators?
Again, I'm not vegan.
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