Flat Earthers- what to do with em
Discussion
DanL said:
If they’re not faked, what would be the point in faking footage? They could (and do) easily get real footage...
That is a fair question 
We have the technology to film 'space scenes' in a studio, so maybe they are just doing a bit of cost cutting as we won't know if they filmed it in space or not so who cares.
It's a bit like Eastenders, they could have actually filmed it in the east end of London but it was cheaper to film in the suburbs so they lie to us and fake the whole thing.
Seriously though..I do not have a sensible answer.
What makes me laugh and makes me concerned for their sanity is how this "ice wall" at the "edge" has never been seen, pictured or reported. Apparently it's guarded. There is some sort of conspiracy, to stop people viewing it.
Why?
Will one of the simpletons who genuinely believes it please post up the actual reasons why?
Elon Musk has his own space rockets and is a clever guy, does he believe any of this flat earth nonsense and if he did do you think
he might have mentioned it? Apparently the tesla shots in space are all faked too, for yet another conspiracy reason.
The rocket re-entry was televised worldwide and was one of the most stunning things the world has witnessed. Was that also fake?
I'd like to understand but can't ask on one of their sites because you'll just get gobbledygook back and called a "sheep"
Why?
Will one of the simpletons who genuinely believes it please post up the actual reasons why?
Elon Musk has his own space rockets and is a clever guy, does he believe any of this flat earth nonsense and if he did do you think
he might have mentioned it? Apparently the tesla shots in space are all faked too, for yet another conspiracy reason.
The rocket re-entry was televised worldwide and was one of the most stunning things the world has witnessed. Was that also fake?
I'd like to understand but can't ask on one of their sites because you'll just get gobbledygook back and called a "sheep"
Shuvi McTupya said:
DanL said:
If they’re not faked, what would be the point in faking footage? They could (and do) easily get real footage...
That is a fair question We have the technology to film 'space scenes' in a studio, so maybe they are just doing a bit of cost cutting as we won't know if they filmed it in space or not so who cares.
It's a bit like Eastenders, they could have actually filmed it in the east end of London but it was cheaper to film in the suburbs so they lie to us and fake the whole thing.
Seriously though..I do not have a sensible answer.
Anything looking vaguely convincing is massively expensive to create - if you’re sending a load of people up into space anyway, it’s going to be cheaper to send them with a camera in terms of incremental costs...
thebraketester said:
Shuvi McTupya said:
Are you saying that astronauts in a weightless environment are actually experiencing a feeling of freefall like skydivers but without the wind, or the gravity? I am quite confident it doesn't feel like freefall to them.....
Why?If you read the personal accounts of astronauts, it feels like floating because it IS floating. On the whole it's a pleasant experience. However, sometimes an astronaut can really feel like they are genuinely falling - as if they had just stepped off the edge of a tall building. This sensation often happens when an astronaut steps outside the spacecraft to perform an EVA. It can result in an intense feeling of vertigo. However, those who have suffered this feeling have found that if they concentrate on the area of spacecraft right in front of them and also concentrate on the job they have to do outside the spacecraft, the feeling goes away after a few moments and they can then enjoy the experience.
The sensation of "falling" is as much to do with the eye brain combination rather than any true feeling of falling and is stronger in some people than others.
Free falling as one feels in space can be simulated on earth in aircraft performing parabolic flight paths (the famous Vomit Comets). However, these flight paths only provide a maximum of about 30 seconds of "weightlessness" and are of limited use to training astronauts - but can be fun. And at least they get a true feel for what weightlessness is like - if only for short periods at a time.
The best analogue for weightlessness training is the use of large water training facilities called "Neutral Buoyancy Tanks". There are a number of these around the world, the best known one being the Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory at Houston Texas, which is operated by NASA in training their astronauts. The Russians have a similar facility at Star City for training cosmonauts.
That's the main difference. A skydiver is experiencing free fall - but they are moving through air at 120 mph so will feel the rush of the air past them.
An astronaut in earth orbit is also free falling - although at a much higher speed, 17,500 mph. The difference is that it is occurring in a vacuum - so there is no air rushing past.
Back in the 1950s Walt Disney produced a number of very informative animated TV shows explaining the basics of spaceflight - hosted by both Walt Disney himself and Werner Von Braun. Even though these films are over 60 years old now, they are educational and fun and I would recommend them to anyone who wants to learn some spaceflight basics. The first programme in the series was called "Man in Space" and is available to watch on you tube.
Watch it - it's fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omWRxonewL4
An astronaut in earth orbit is also free falling - although at a much higher speed, 17,500 mph. The difference is that it is occurring in a vacuum - so there is no air rushing past.
Back in the 1950s Walt Disney produced a number of very informative animated TV shows explaining the basics of spaceflight - hosted by both Walt Disney himself and Werner Von Braun. Even though these films are over 60 years old now, they are educational and fun and I would recommend them to anyone who wants to learn some spaceflight basics. The first programme in the series was called "Man in Space" and is available to watch on you tube.
Watch it - it's fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omWRxonewL4
Eric Mc said:
The first programme in the series was called "Man in Space" and is available to watch on you tube.
Watch it - it's fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omWRxonewL4
I am not going traipsing round the internet watching videos that back up your crazy theories!Watch it - it's fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omWRxonewL4
Eric, please accept my apologies for my part in our earlier 'shouting'. I hate arguing with strangers on the internet!
Shuvi McTupya said:
I am not going traipsing round the internet watching videos that back up your crazy theories!
Eric, please accept my apologies for my part in our earlier 'shouting'. I hate arguing with strangers on the internet!
So do I.Eric, please accept my apologies for my part in our earlier 'shouting'. I hate arguing with strangers on the internet!
The Disney films are great fun. I remember watching them on Irish TV as a small child -= at which time they were already the best part of 10 years old,. And of course, even though they were shot in colour we only saw them in black and white at the time. It's great to be able to see them as originally broadcast in the US. It was programmes like these that got me interested in space flight in the first place.
The history of spaceflight is fascinating from both a technical and a cultural point of view.
It is one of mankind's greatest endeavours and it really makes me sad and angry that so many people are willing to try and pooh pooh it. I will try and defend the reality of and the necessity for spaceflight whenever I can.
The good thing is that interest amongst young people for space travel is on the rise. Oldies like me can look back with fondness on the exciting years of the 1960s "Space Race" but we are entering a new era where many countries are now developing space programmes of their own - both government funded and commercial. Even the UK is finally beginning to get involved in launching rockets into orbit (50 years later than it should have).
Just look at the age demographic of those involved in SpaceX's programmes. The bulk of them are under 40 - and a fair proportion are female.
It's an inspirational company and is doing a lot to reinvogorate interest in spaceflight and space technology.
When they start flying humans into space in the next 6 months to a year from now - that interest will ramp up even further.
Only last week NASA announced the names of the nine astronauts who will be involved in the first manned flights of the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft and Boeing's CST-100 Starliner spacecraft -
When they start flying humans into space in the next 6 months to a year from now - that interest will ramp up even further.
Only last week NASA announced the names of the nine astronauts who will be involved in the first manned flights of the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft and Boeing's CST-100 Starliner spacecraft -
Shuvi McTupya said:
Yup, free fall will feel very different according to your environment.
I have experienced free fall very briefly a couple of times but to me the sensation was mainly one of the wind rushing passed me..not really applicable in space!
Try being in a 747 experiencing clear air turbulence over the Rockies. Everything that wasn't nailed down floats, including my daughter I have experienced free fall very briefly a couple of times but to me the sensation was mainly one of the wind rushing passed me..not really applicable in space!
I love this video which clearly demonstrates Zero G -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIHCim96qA8
And always remember, nail your kids to the floor when flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIHCim96qA8
And always remember, nail your kids to the floor when flying.
WinstonWolf said:
Try being in a 747 experiencing clear air turbulence over the Rockies. Everything that wasn't nailed down floats, including my daughter
I am one of those weird people who would love that !I remember once being in a small plane flying around the grand canyon trying to navigate between two big storms but failing miserably. It was epic!
The other passengers were having a white knuckle ride and i had my head phones on listening to rock music having the time of my life
Just rewatched all the space x "fakery" :-)
https://youtu.be/Rux24PCFSjw
Edit to add, you can't see any curvature on the horizon lol
https://youtu.be/Rux24PCFSjw
Edit to add, you can't see any curvature on the horizon lol
Edited by 200Plus Club on Monday 6th August 09:12
Shuvi McTupya said:
Yup, free fall will feel very different according to your environment.
I have experienced free fall very briefly a couple of times but to me the sensation was mainly one of the wind rushing passed me..not really applicable in space!
Yes. But like to say... if you ignore the obvious effect from actually falling through air then being in free fall and being ‘weightless’ are Actually very similar. I.e it doesn’t actually feel like you are falling in freefall. I have experienced free fall very briefly a couple of times but to me the sensation was mainly one of the wind rushing passed me..not really applicable in space!
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