Flat Earthers- what to do with em
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This is today's share, we've moved onto other issues now...
https://www.davidicke.com/article/494453/internet-...
Quite funny, I managed about 6 mins. Shared via the internet, obviously
https://www.davidicke.com/article/494453/internet-...
Quite funny, I managed about 6 mins. Shared via the internet, obviously
S7Paul said:
YouTube is an endlessly entertaining source of this kind of stupidity. In addition to the recent nonsense about 5G, over the past few months I've seen:
That this stuff exists is not really an issue. The problem is that social media actively promotes it. Pick any of the usual subjects and you'll be seeing lunatic conspiracy theory videos promoted within a few minutes.When I searched on Twitter for news about Hurricane Florence the other day, the TOP tweet was a bulls
t photo of some sharks in a shopping mall, that seems to have been doing the rounds in every flood event since the internet was existed. According to Twitter, that was the most relevant tweet about that subject.
If the likes of Google are fully in on the cover up and determined to protect the truth, then why do they allow flat earth videos on Youtube and link to their sites through searches? 
Talking of which, I was linked to this one earlier. Got to love the empty research section, and the gallery of stock photos
https://itsflat.net/
Talking of which, I was linked to this one earlier. Got to love the empty research section, and the gallery of stock photos
https://itsflat.net/
eldar said:
I've recently met someone who convinced that 'the council' is installing 5G transmitters in lamp posts, and this is causing madness, birth defects and all sorts of mayhem. Their leader, 'has the truth', etc. Oddly, accessing the internet via a mobile phone or tablet is fine.
Stupidity is the new religion.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...
Very strangely I know a chap called Mark Steele, who lives in Gateshead and is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and general nut case, wondering if it’s the same person!?! Is he heavily tattooed?Stupidity is the new religion.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...
I think a lot of it is a psychological issue, where people who are flat earthers despite being ridiculed believe that actually they are some of the enlightened few which gives their lives some sort of extra meaning.
What is fundamentally wrong with their theories is that in no shape or form do they go out to conclusively prove their theory, instead relying on anecdotal you tube videos which are often tests run with flawed controls to disprove the idea that the world is a globe. The best that FE can come up with for instance as to why we stick to the ground is that dark matter is pushing earth through the universe at an ever accelerating rate, there is no proof of this, its just some thing made up to make that fundamental issue go away. But if you go to another website there is a different theory, its just stuff they make up.
The other thing about it that is that flat earthers have no concept of scale - some questions like if our galaxy is hurtling through space so fast why dont the stars move. They cannot grasp the enormity of space, its like our galaxy is the size of a marble on a football pitch moving at 0.1mm per year (well its probably not even that probably less) but thats the sort of scale flat earthers cannot grasp - in fact dare I say it it's because many of them are grounded in religion which makes everything a lot smaller in their mind, the idea that the human race is insignificant in the universe, well theres a thought!
What is fundamentally wrong with their theories is that in no shape or form do they go out to conclusively prove their theory, instead relying on anecdotal you tube videos which are often tests run with flawed controls to disprove the idea that the world is a globe. The best that FE can come up with for instance as to why we stick to the ground is that dark matter is pushing earth through the universe at an ever accelerating rate, there is no proof of this, its just some thing made up to make that fundamental issue go away. But if you go to another website there is a different theory, its just stuff they make up.
The other thing about it that is that flat earthers have no concept of scale - some questions like if our galaxy is hurtling through space so fast why dont the stars move. They cannot grasp the enormity of space, its like our galaxy is the size of a marble on a football pitch moving at 0.1mm per year (well its probably not even that probably less) but thats the sort of scale flat earthers cannot grasp - in fact dare I say it it's because many of them are grounded in religion which makes everything a lot smaller in their mind, the idea that the human race is insignificant in the universe, well theres a thought!
Yes, these nut jobs generally refer to themselves as 'truthers', believing that they're onto stuff that the rest of us are too brainwashed to understand. I guess it makes them feel superior. How inadequate must their lives be, to need to do this? Or is it because they're abject failures, and need someone else to blame, rather than take responsibility themselves?
Jinx said:
SaggyOstrich said:
Flat-earthers are infuriating for sure, they're up there with religious folk.
The thing is though, you can actually prove the earth is not flat and yet there are people out there that still believe it...baffling.
The thing is though, you can actually prove the earth is not flat and yet there are people out there that still believe it...baffling.
Homer said:
Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts schmacts.
TooMany2cvs said:
S7Paul said:
Aircraft are not as big as "they" say, nor do they fly as fast or as high as people think.
Have these people never been on a flight?The latest nonsense I've seen is saying that aircraft in museums are actually models that are bigger than the real thing.
mickk said:
I'm sure these people don't actually believe the Earth is flat, I have a feeling they're on some massive wind up just to annoy people.
I'm absolutely certain that many of them do it just to troll, but there are an awful lot that are either naturally ignorant and inarticulate, or deserve an Oscar for their performance.Couple of little points:
Skydiving won't feel the same as freefall because once you reach terminal velocity ((approx. 120 mph) you're back to your normal weight. Gravity is trying to accelerate you, but air resistance is keeping your speed constant.
How does NASA manage to guard the ice wall, as according to my calculations it's over 70,000 miles long?
According to the FE'ers, all the world leaders know the earth is flat but for some reason are covering it up. Presumably this means therefore, that if I ever become an MP, then shortly afterwards, one of the whips will take me aside and say, "I'd better tell you, the earth is flat. But don't tell anyone."
Skydiving won't feel the same as freefall because once you reach terminal velocity ((approx. 120 mph) you're back to your normal weight. Gravity is trying to accelerate you, but air resistance is keeping your speed constant.
How does NASA manage to guard the ice wall, as according to my calculations it's over 70,000 miles long?
According to the FE'ers, all the world leaders know the earth is flat but for some reason are covering it up. Presumably this means therefore, that if I ever become an MP, then shortly afterwards, one of the whips will take me aside and say, "I'd better tell you, the earth is flat. But don't tell anyone."
Evangelion said:
According to the FE'ers, all the world leaders know the earth is flat but for some reason are covering it up. Presumably this means therefore, that if I ever become an MP, then shortly afterwards, one of the whips will take me aside and say, "I'd better tell you, the earth is flat. But don't tell anyone."
I suspect it'd have to be a lot higher than simply MP-level. Privy Councillor and/or Cabinet Minister, perhaps.But can you picture Boris trying to keep his trap shut on something like that?
Mind you, it's not hard to see JRM finding it eminently convincing...
alorotom said:
Very strangely I know a chap called Mark Steele, who lives in Gateshead and is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and general nut case, wondering if it’s the same person!?! Is he heavily tattooed?
I think that is him. His followers seem even more obsessive than him, appearing in all sorts of random places obsessing about evil lamp posts.Well you need to then include all the scientists, engineers, analysts, explorers, privateers, venture capitalists so on and so forth in the big conspiracy also. Basically tens of thousands of people with no vested interest in keeping it secret that the world is flat are doing this.
Have a look at videos on You Tube of SciManDan it is great entertainment, he is a scientist, dead pan, who picks a flat earther video each week and dismantles it. He is quite sarcastic which is a bit unnecessary, but it does add some humour to it all.
Have a look at videos on You Tube of SciManDan it is great entertainment, he is a scientist, dead pan, who picks a flat earther video each week and dismantles it. He is quite sarcastic which is a bit unnecessary, but it does add some humour to it all.
eldar said:
alorotom said:
Very strangely I know a chap called Mark Steele, who lives in Gateshead and is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and general nut case, wondering if it’s the same person!?! Is he heavily tattooed?
I think that is him. His followers seem even more obsessive than him, appearing in all sorts of random places obsessing about evil lamp posts.
I read that one of the FE's main arguments is that "gravity hasn't been explained" ... therefore science is a lie and the earth is flat.
As mentioned previously, their world view is based up on the notion of truths and lies.
If it is not a truth then it is a lie, and vice versa.
Its not just flat earthers. but there is a general wide conception that knowledge is binary - truth or lie.
And I think this feeds some of the curiosity around flat earth.
What many people often don't fully accept is that science and knowledge on many aspects of nature/observations, produces our best human model of reality, rather than being able to state with 100% certainty (fact) that something is occurring as per the exact wording of the theory.
A theory is a model. If its an established theory this means it has stood the time of criticism and the ability for others to destructively bring it apart and/or constructively produce a better model.
Gravity has theories of its operation and therefore has a few methods to model the causes and effects.
Classical physics with Isaac Newton is one model, General Relativity with Einstein is another model.
They are models that suit certain applications and models that await somebody to 'better' if they can.
It can be modelled as a 'force' between masses or as the curvature of space-time due to energy/mass.
Science is not based up on the notion of certain unchangeable 'fact', its based up on ever more advanced accurate/useful modelling of nature. A point that flat earthers willfully ignore.
As mentioned previously, their world view is based up on the notion of truths and lies.
If it is not a truth then it is a lie, and vice versa.
Its not just flat earthers. but there is a general wide conception that knowledge is binary - truth or lie.
And I think this feeds some of the curiosity around flat earth.
What many people often don't fully accept is that science and knowledge on many aspects of nature/observations, produces our best human model of reality, rather than being able to state with 100% certainty (fact) that something is occurring as per the exact wording of the theory.
A theory is a model. If its an established theory this means it has stood the time of criticism and the ability for others to destructively bring it apart and/or constructively produce a better model.
Gravity has theories of its operation and therefore has a few methods to model the causes and effects.
Classical physics with Isaac Newton is one model, General Relativity with Einstein is another model.
They are models that suit certain applications and models that await somebody to 'better' if they can.
It can be modelled as a 'force' between masses or as the curvature of space-time due to energy/mass.
Science is not based up on the notion of certain unchangeable 'fact', its based up on ever more advanced accurate/useful modelling of nature. A point that flat earthers willfully ignore.
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