Mortgage over payments vs pension contributions

Mortgage over payments vs pension contributions

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Mikar

Original Poster:

18 posts

175 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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I wondered what people thought about this. I’m currently paying a hefty sum into my pension every month but also have a 100k ish mortgage. Should I focus solely on clearing the mortgage given impending interest rate rises?

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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It depends on your age and priorities.

Rule of thumb is that if you are achieving a better return on your pension that your mortgage is costing you (gross), then paying into your pension is the better option. You obviously need to factor inflation into this as it works against your pension (and/or any savings) but works for you with the mortgage.

I hope that makes sense, happy to clarify though. smile

JonChalk

6,469 posts

110 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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Is it a private one, or an employer?

If you've got a decent employer, and you're not at the limit where they match contributions, then that would seem the sensible thing to get up to. After all, they're actually giving you free money....

If it's a private one, then that's not going to be relevant.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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JulianPH said:
It depends on your age and priorities.

Rule of thumb is that if you are achieving a better (risk-adjusted) return on your pension that your mortgage is costing you (gross), then paying into your pension is the better option. You obviously need to factor inflation into this as it works against your pension (and/or any savings) but works for you with the mortgage.

I hope that makes sense, happy to clarify though. smile
beer

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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sidicks said:
JulianPH said:
It depends on your age and priorities.

Rule of thumb is that if you are achieving a better (risk-adjusted) return on your pension that your mortgage is costing you (gross), then paying into your pension is the better option. You obviously need to factor inflation into this as it works against your pension (and/or any savings) but works for you with the mortgage.

I hope that makes sense, happy to clarify though. smile
beer
Agreed! beer

Mikar

Original Poster:

18 posts

175 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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Thanks All,

I’m in my mid-50s and it’s a private pension. Like most I guess, my pension investments have done well over the last few years but have taken a bit of a dive more recently. Part of me just wants to rid myself of any debt ASAP particularly with interest rates on the rise. It’s hard to see through all the effects of fund charges and tax rebates on pension contributions and inflation etc. I will need to get the calculator out!

Brave Fart

5,724 posts

111 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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It's difficult to compare the two, because they are likely to be of different risk categories. It also depends if you are a 40% tax payer too; if you are, it favours pension contributions a bit more. There's also the minor issue of fund charges on your pension, irrelevant on your mortgage.
Put simply (assuming you're a 40% tax payer):
£60 net income = £100 gross in to your pension, return perhaps 5% plus but who knows what stock markets will do? Tax when you withdraw later.
£60 used to pay down mortgage = a guaranteed return of your mortgage rate......3%? No tax issues.

If it was me I'd pay down the mortgage. You can live in a house, you can't live in a pension fund. You'll sleep more soundly too.

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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Brave Fart said:
It's difficult to compare the two, because they are likely to be of different risk categories. It also depends if you are a 40% tax payer too; if you are, it favours pension contributions a bit more. There's also the minor issue of fund charges on your pension, irrelevant on your mortgage.
Put simply (assuming you're a 40% tax payer):
£60 net income = £100 gross in to your pension, return perhaps 5% plus but who knows what stock markets will do? Tax when you withdraw later.
£60 used to pay down mortgage = a guaranteed return of your mortgage rate......3%? No tax issues.

If it was me I'd pay down the mortgage. You can live in a house, you can't live in a pension fund. You'll sleep more soundly too.
Technically it is £80 of net income that equals £100 gross into your pension (just as with basic rate tax payers). The additional £20 goes back in your pocket via your tax return for higher rate tax payers.

I agree though, from the OP's last post - given the extra info provided - paying down the mortgage seems to be the best route.

For someone in their thirties who is a higher rate tax payer the answer may be different.

thekingisdead

240 posts

133 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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JulianPH said:
Technically it is £80 of net income that equals £100 gross into your pension (just as with basic rate tax payers). The additional £20 goes back in your pocket via your tax return for higher rate tax payers.

I agree though, from the OP's last post - given the extra info provided - paying down the mortgage seems to be the best route.

For someone in their thirties who is a higher rate tax payer the answer may be different.
Glad I’ve read that. I’m in this position. Got ~5k PA rental income I don’t “need” so paying into a SIPP rather than pay 40% tax on it and pay down my mortgage (I’m already over 60% LTV so can’t access any cheaper rates)

modeller

445 posts

166 months

Monday 19th February 2018
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Pay into the pension and then use some of your 25% tax free (from 55+) to pay off the mortgage?