Emerald installation
Discussion
Hi guys,
I am looking at getting the car remapped once it is out of the paint shop. Looking at the costs it invites the question if it is worth swapping to an Emerald and be done with it?
For those that have done so what are your opinions? I had an Emerald on my Caterham and thought it was great. The standard ignition system is working so it's not like it has to be changed.
Thanks.
I am looking at getting the car remapped once it is out of the paint shop. Looking at the costs it invites the question if it is worth swapping to an Emerald and be done with it?
For those that have done so what are your opinions? I had an Emerald on my Caterham and thought it was great. The standard ignition system is working so it's not like it has to be changed.
Thanks.
The old saying is, "if it ain't broke why fix it" especially if you are going to sell.
But if you were considering keeping it, then I would seriously consider Powers Performance MBE Upgrade. Which is more costly, but you only get what you pay for considering the amount that you have already spent.
But if you were considering keeping it, then I would seriously consider Powers Performance MBE Upgrade. Which is more costly, but you only get what you pay for considering the amount that you have already spent.
citizen smith said:
The old saying is, "if it ain't broke why fix it" especially if you are going to sell.
But if you were considering keeping it, then I would seriously consider Powers Performance MBE Upgrade. Which is more costly, but you only get what you pay for considering the amount that you have already spent.
I get that, but it's all about adding value, plus I have this thing with making things 'right'. It's not top of the list, just interested to see what others have found. I did speak to Powers a while back and it was over £3K to fit the MBE. That just sounded like a lot of money to be honest.But if you were considering keeping it, then I would seriously consider Powers Performance MBE Upgrade. Which is more costly, but you only get what you pay for considering the amount that you have already spent.
I picked mine up yesterday after having a Emerald system fitted, my car ran very well on the old system but I had just got fed up with the component failures over the years.
Well I thought the car ran well but there is no comparison really, the car is now so smooth to drive with zero shunting, today I went out to give it a bit of a test and was able to drive at 1000rpm in fifth gear with no shunting then floor the throttle and just smoothly pull away.
Yes they are expensive but personally for me it was worth every penny.
Well I thought the car ran well but there is no comparison really, the car is now so smooth to drive with zero shunting, today I went out to give it a bit of a test and was able to drive at 1000rpm in fifth gear with no shunting then floor the throttle and just smoothly pull away.
Yes they are expensive but personally for me it was worth every penny.
I’ve been running an emerald for 10+ years now. Best thing I ever did.
Speak to Jools at http://www.kitsandclassics.co.uk/
He really knows his stuff.
Speak to Jools at http://www.kitsandclassics.co.uk/
He really knows his stuff.
I dont have any experience of other aftermarket ECU's but I chose this car in part because of the smooth running which I put down to a large part due to the Emerald thats been fitted. Like you I also have some 4 pot experience with them having had a few in previous cars and in my current lotus.
Another Joolz fan here. Car was running pretty good after an airflow meter, coil, leads, rotor, ign amp, the usual suspects.
Then it cut out stone cold dead a couple of times.
Runs smoother on emerald, drivetrain has a much easier time of it as shunting is (almost) eliminated, and if/when it does start throwing up problems there’s far fewer parts involved compared to the Lucas. New loom back to the ecu is also a massive plus on all these systems.
By the time you’ve flogged your lucas bits off the cost to change with Joolz will potentially start with a 1.
Well worth fitting a wideband lambda at the same time. I have three maps - standard, popsnbangs, and a best behaviour MOT emissions map.
There is an argument for keeping it standard for originality - if you’re selling
Then it cut out stone cold dead a couple of times.
Runs smoother on emerald, drivetrain has a much easier time of it as shunting is (almost) eliminated, and if/when it does start throwing up problems there’s far fewer parts involved compared to the Lucas. New loom back to the ecu is also a massive plus on all these systems.
By the time you’ve flogged your lucas bits off the cost to change with Joolz will potentially start with a 1.
Well worth fitting a wideband lambda at the same time. I have three maps - standard, popsnbangs, and a best behaviour MOT emissions map.
There is an argument for keeping it standard for originality - if you’re selling
yonex said:
I get that, but it's all about adding value, plus I have this thing with making things 'right'. It's not top of the list, just interested to see what others have found. I did speak to Powers a while back and it was over £3K to fit the MBE. That just sounded like a lot of money to be honest.
To add value, keep it as standard. There will be very few "standard" Griffiths left soon. The ones that are standard will be the ones that demand the highest prices (assuming similar condition).If the original Lucas system is kept in good condition there is not too much wrong with it. As well as TVRs it powered thousands of range rovers and other cars.
However, technology has moved on. It is to be expected that a modern system will be more reliable, as well as offer more performance (i.e. power,economy and smoothness / drivability). The only real downside is the initial cost.
If you are happy with the car as it is, there is no reason to change. If you fancy an improvement and can afford it, there is no reason not to change.
BIG DUNC said:
yonex said:
I get that, but it's all about adding value, plus I have this thing with making things 'right'. It's not top of the list, just interested to see what others have found. I did speak to Powers a while back and it was over £3K to fit the MBE. That just sounded like a lot of money to be honest.
To add value, keep it as standard. There will be very few "standard" Griffiths left soon. The ones that are standard will be the ones that demand the highest prices (assuming similar condition).If the original Lucas system is kept in good condition there is not too much wrong with it. As well as TVRs it powered thousands of range rovers and other cars.
However, technology has moved on. It is to be expected that a modern system will be more reliable, as well as offer more performance (i.e. power,economy and smoothness / drivability). The only real downside is the initial cost.
If you are happy with the car as it is, there is no reason to change. If you fancy an improvement and can afford it, there is no reason not to change.
When (not if!) Griffs are well into six figures people will be sticking the original Lucas systems back in for originality and extra concourse points, but they'll probably stick a cleverer ecu inside the furred up and corroded Lucas casing if they want to get to Salon Prive with minimal fuss.
Until then... go modern
Until then... go modern
Blimey, some very different views Originality I guess is one thing, but where do you stop? I’ll be speaking to Joolz and having a think about it all. If the standard Lucas system is worth mapping then it does sound the most sensible option right now.
I can’t see Griffith prices going ballistic any time soon, maybe holding firm and slowly getting better but everyone has been saying the same thing for years?
Mine is a way off totally standard but I have tried to improve it in every area using what I hope are suppliers and parts that are deemed to add real value to the car.
Thanks for all the responses!
Originality I guess is one thing, but where do you stop? I’ll be speaking to Joolz and having a think about it all. If the standard Lucas system is worth mapping then it does sound the most sensible option right now. I can’t see Griffith prices going ballistic any time soon, maybe holding firm and slowly getting better but everyone has been saying the same thing for years?
Mine is a way off totally standard but I have tried to improve it in every area using what I hope are suppliers and parts that are deemed to add real value to the car.
Thanks for all the responses!
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