Appropriate homework for a 10 year old...............???
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andyxxx said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
Remove the LGBT part and you have a perfectly reasonable assignment.
10 year olds, who have yet to hit puberty will have no concept of sexual orientation, not in a real world sense so the inclusion of the LGBT part is wholly inappropriate. Is this saying that non LGBT people can't also be inspirational?
My gut instinct is this is indicative of the insidious infliction of left wing politics within the education system and the need to insert the LGBT part to satisfy a pro-equality agenda.
Education has to be 'age appropriate' and introducing LGBT to 10 year olds is not age appropriate; this would be acceptable for someone age 15/16. Not 10. The mere fact she is clueless about the acronym is evidence in itself; does she even know what transgenderism actually is, let alone understand it? I can think of dozens of inspirational people, yet I wouldn't have the first idea which camp they belonged to. Nor, to that extent, would I even care. There's more to being an inspirational person than simple sexual orientation.
Ignore the LGBT part and do the assignment anyway. Then have a quiet word with the teacher who set the work and ask them if the age inappropriate indiscretion was a mere slip of professional standards, or whether the teacher has an ulterior motive in promoting left wing ideologies and deliberately included age inappropriate concepts in to the assignment.
That will put the cat among the pigeons
See how this one pans out. The teacher might have simply used material from an educational aids service without even bothering to read it; alternatively the school is trying to breed mini communists and you've opened the lid on the can of worms and about to visited by state controlled agents to cart you off to a siberian gulag. Now here's your hammer and sickle, go and harvest some turnips for dinner.
Getting back to a serious note though, what do the other parents think about the inclusion of the LGBT part? Or don't they care?
In total agreement10 year olds, who have yet to hit puberty will have no concept of sexual orientation, not in a real world sense so the inclusion of the LGBT part is wholly inappropriate. Is this saying that non LGBT people can't also be inspirational?
My gut instinct is this is indicative of the insidious infliction of left wing politics within the education system and the need to insert the LGBT part to satisfy a pro-equality agenda.
Education has to be 'age appropriate' and introducing LGBT to 10 year olds is not age appropriate; this would be acceptable for someone age 15/16. Not 10. The mere fact she is clueless about the acronym is evidence in itself; does she even know what transgenderism actually is, let alone understand it? I can think of dozens of inspirational people, yet I wouldn't have the first idea which camp they belonged to. Nor, to that extent, would I even care. There's more to being an inspirational person than simple sexual orientation.
Ignore the LGBT part and do the assignment anyway. Then have a quiet word with the teacher who set the work and ask them if the age inappropriate indiscretion was a mere slip of professional standards, or whether the teacher has an ulterior motive in promoting left wing ideologies and deliberately included age inappropriate concepts in to the assignment.
That will put the cat among the pigeons
See how this one pans out. The teacher might have simply used material from an educational aids service without even bothering to read it; alternatively the school is trying to breed mini communists and you've opened the lid on the can of worms and about to visited by state controlled agents to cart you off to a siberian gulag. Now here's your hammer and sickle, go and harvest some turnips for dinner.
Getting back to a serious note though, what do the other parents think about the inclusion of the LGBT part? Or don't they care?
Also, at ten, no child has discovered their sexuality, or even realises that they have such a thing. I would imagine such teaching could borderline disturb them. Something for 13+ IMO, as if little Johnny is wondering why he prefers boys he knows that such a thing exists, and it doesn't make him a wrong un.
As this is PH, I'd help him write a piece on Don Hayter, widely credited as having come up with the whole concept in the first place.
Joking aside, that's just utterly ridiculous for a 10 year old. I know it's 2018 and all that, and I'm very much in the live and let live camp (no pun intended) but that is daft for a 10 year old. I'd be pretty pissed if my lad came back from school with something like that to do.
Joking aside, that's just utterly ridiculous for a 10 year old. I know it's 2018 and all that, and I'm very much in the live and let live camp (no pun intended) but that is daft for a 10 year old. I'd be pretty pissed if my lad came back from school with something like that to do.
Grrr.
This makes the pressure of the vapour exerted of urine equal to the ambient pressure, then either applies heat, or reduces the ambient pressure, or both.
Would this question be appropriate, if "LGBT" were replaced with:
If its okay to set an assignment about an LGBT person, then it should be okay to set an assignment about a heterosexual. But society clearly says it isn't okay to set an assignment about a heterosexual as this excludes the LGBT community.
Similarly it should not be okay to set an assignment about an inspirational black person, because it isn't deemed okay to do that for a caucasian.
If it were my kid, they'd be writing an essay explaining the above and I'd be complaining to the head teacher.
This isn't age appropriate and it isn't pro-equality.
No one should care what their neighbours, business leaders, politicians, newsreaders etc. do with their genitals (provided they restrict themselves to consenting adult humans). It simply isn't relevant to how well that person does their job, in exactly the same way that it simply isn't relevant what colour their skin is.
This makes the pressure of the vapour exerted of urine equal to the ambient pressure, then either applies heat, or reduces the ambient pressure, or both.
Would this question be appropriate, if "LGBT" were replaced with:
- Woman?
- Black man?
- Black woman?
- Caucasian man?
- Caucasian woman?
- Heterosexual caucasian man?
If its okay to set an assignment about an LGBT person, then it should be okay to set an assignment about a heterosexual. But society clearly says it isn't okay to set an assignment about a heterosexual as this excludes the LGBT community.
Similarly it should not be okay to set an assignment about an inspirational black person, because it isn't deemed okay to do that for a caucasian.
If it were my kid, they'd be writing an essay explaining the above and I'd be complaining to the head teacher.
This isn't age appropriate and it isn't pro-equality.
No one should care what their neighbours, business leaders, politicians, newsreaders etc. do with their genitals (provided they restrict themselves to consenting adult humans). It simply isn't relevant to how well that person does their job, in exactly the same way that it simply isn't relevant what colour their skin is.
parabolica said:
mikeveal said:
Would this question be appropriate, if "LGBT" were replaced with:
Getting your knickers in a twist over nothing IMO.- Woman?
- Black man?
- Black woman?
- Caucasian man?
- Caucasian woman?
- Heterosexual caucasian man?
The OP is hardly crying out for the return of section 28, he is asking is it an age appropriate subject, which the majority think not.
At this age the limit should be letting kids know that different people have different choices in who they fancy or get with, and that's OK.
parabolica said:
mikeveal said:
Would this question be appropriate, if "LGBT" were replaced with:
Maybe this is the next 6 weeks of homework? - Woman?
- Black man?
- Black woman?
- Caucasian man?
- Caucasian woman?
- Heterosexual caucasian man?
Getting your knickers in a twist over nothing IMO.
I’d also have no issue with a school setting the above tasks personally either.
As far as those of you who seem to think that 10 is too young, or that 10 year olds aren’t aware of their own sexuality at that age, I’m afraid you’re wrong. By the age of 10/11 homophobia is in place. I speak as a head of year 7, who has to deal with homophobic language and abuse at times. I know my year 6 colleagues fave similar issues. I also know that some students are well aware that their sexual orientation may differ from what is defined as the ‘norm’ by society by the age of 11, as I have had conversations with students about this in the past (they have approached me I should stress!). People mature at different rates, so to say that because you know a 10 year old or two who don’t doesn’t make it the case for all!
Now whether the needs of the few should implement the provision of the many is another debate entirely of course!
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
But he isn't. It wouldn't be appropriate to single out any of the above groups, so why LGBT? It's positive discrimination.
The OP is hardly crying out for the return of section 28, he is asking is it an age appropriate subject, which the majority think not.
At this age the limit should be letting kids know that different people have different choices in who they fancy or get with, and that's OK.
Unfortunately the government disagrees with you, see my earlier linked article. The OP is hardly crying out for the return of section 28, he is asking is it an age appropriate subject, which the majority think not.
At this age the limit should be letting kids know that different people have different choices in who they fancy or get with, and that's OK.
nadger said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
But he isn't. It wouldn't be appropriate to single out any of the above groups, so why LGBT? It's positive discrimination.
The OP is hardly crying out for the return of section 28, he is asking is it an age appropriate subject, which the majority think not.
At this age the limit should be letting kids know that different people have different choices in who they fancy or get with, and that's OK.
Unfortunately the government disagrees with you, see my earlier linked article. The OP is hardly crying out for the return of section 28, he is asking is it an age appropriate subject, which the majority think not.
At this age the limit should be letting kids know that different people have different choices in who they fancy or get with, and that's OK.
t storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
That may be so, but can you imagine the st storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'
I can’t see why it would. There is no demeaning of anyone’s views or opinions by setting such a question, so I can’t see why it would be an issue.t storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'If the discussion was around how to play a perfect tune on the rusty trombone or whether the use of a strap on reinforces the patriarchy then perhaps people would have a valid objection.
It seems to me that all the teacher is asking is for the pupil to do some research on an inspirational figure who is gay or trans.
It seems to me that all the teacher is asking is for the pupil to do some research on an inspirational figure who is gay or trans.
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Also, at ten, no child has discovered their sexuality, or even realises that they have such a thing.
Not sure about that. I certainly knew I was straight long before I was 10. Obviously I wasn't sexually active at that age but was up for seeing pics of naked/semi naked women. nadger said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
That may be so, but can you imagine the st storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'
I can’t see why it would. There is no demeaning of anyone’s views or opinions by setting such a question, so I can’t see why it would be an issue.t storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational''Research an inspirational LGBT' is considered appropriate. I'd argue not for a 10 year old, but for an older kid, yes.
But if the teacher set a topic of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male' I'm sure they'd find themselves in the Daily Wail, with an expose (e accute) on their house value.
Positive discrimination in the name of equality is just as wrong as discrimination against minorities.
nadger said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
That may be so, but can you imagine the st storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'
I can’t see why it would. There is no demeaning of anyone’s views or opinions by setting such a question, so I can’t see why it would be an issue.t storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'DuncB7 said:
nadger said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
That may be so, but can you imagine the st storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'
I can’t see why it would. There is no demeaning of anyone’s views or opinions by setting such a question, so I can’t see why it would be an issue.t storm which would follow a homework request of 'Research an inspirational hetrosexual white male, and create a fact file about them, and why you find them inspirational'They could just say - name an inspirational world leader or a poitician, writer etc etc and the odd are stacked in favour of it being a 'heterosexual white male'.
Which, I guess, is the whole point of the lesson.
For all we know, the kids have spent the last few months doing, inspirational disabled people, inspirational black women, black men, white women etc etc etc and have only now made it on to LGBT.
This could be the culmination of a long educational programme rather than the beginning of the end of the world.
Of course, it wouldn't have happened in my day, but then a lot of things didn't happen then which I wish had, and a lot of things happened which I wish hadn't - it wasn't all roses round the door.
irememberyou said:
Well, they wouldn't have to specify an inspirational 'heterosexual white male', I suspect.
They could just say - name an inspirational world leader or a poitician, writer etc etc and the odd are stacked in favour of it being a 'heterosexual white male'.
Which, I guess, is the whole point of the lesson.
For all we know, the kids have spent the last few months doing, inspirational disabled people, inspirational black women, black men, white women etc etc etc and have only now made it on to LGBT.
This could be the culmination of a long educational programme rather than the beginning of the end of the world.
Stop talking sense, this is pistonheads don't you know They could just say - name an inspirational world leader or a poitician, writer etc etc and the odd are stacked in favour of it being a 'heterosexual white male'.
Which, I guess, is the whole point of the lesson.
For all we know, the kids have spent the last few months doing, inspirational disabled people, inspirational black women, black men, white women etc etc etc and have only now made it on to LGBT.
This could be the culmination of a long educational programme rather than the beginning of the end of the world.
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