Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 4]

[SpeckledJim]

schmunk said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Maybe "too cold to snow" is a British thing peculiar to our temperate climate? Perhaps the conditions necessary for us to have particularly low temperatures is dry air and low cloud cover, which would therefore preclude precipitation?

In general terms, maybe "too cold to snow" just means that snow is less likely when it is very cold, based on observation. I don't think it means that snow is impossible.

We get our coldest/driest winter weather when the wind comes from the East / North East, when it's travelled over a lot of relatively cold, relatively dry, land.

We get our warmest/wettest weather when the wind comes from the West / South West, when it's travelled over a lot of relatively warm, relatively wet, sea.

This. I think it's not so much a case of 'too cold to snow' more a case of when it's very cold, it's usually because the current condition is a north-easterly continental stream, which as well as being very cold is also dry, so it's more like 'too dry to snow'.

Not 100% on that, happy to be corrected.

[djfaulkner]

Balmoral said:

It's a bit like those signs that say "Do not flush anything other than toilet paper down this toilet".

Wat do with poop?

Easy pick it up and put it in the bin......

That's what a kid did at my son's school - Had a dump, picked it up out the toilet and put it in the class room bin

[CaptainSlow]

SpeckledJim said:

schmunk said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Maybe "too cold to snow" is a British thing peculiar to our temperate climate? Perhaps the conditions necessary for us to have particularly low temperatures is dry air and low cloud cover, which would therefore preclude precipitation?

In general terms, maybe "too cold to snow" just means that snow is less likely when it is very cold, based on observation. I don't think it means that snow is impossible.

We get our coldest/driest winter weather when the wind comes from the East / North East, when it's travelled over a lot of relatively cold, relatively dry, land.

We get our warmest/wettest weather when the wind comes from the West / South West, when it's travelled over a lot of relatively warm, relatively wet, sea.

This. I think it's not so much a case of 'too cold to snow' more a case of when it's very cold, it's usually because the current condition is a north-easterly continental stream, which as well as being very cold is also dry, so it's more like 'too dry to snow'.

Not 100% on that, happy to be corrected.

Or alternatively, clear days/nights are the coldest as there is no cloud cover to keep surface heat in. No clouds, no snow.

[ambuletz]

does anyone here have any experience of how long HSBC take to send out a replacement debit card? yes some googling suggests up to 7 days..but that seems like a ridiculously long amount of time. and a real inconvience as it's my main card.

[glenrobbo]

schmunk said:

.... a lot of relatively warm, relatively wet, sea.

I like that.

[Frank7]

One of my nephews joined us for dinner tonight, and the conversation got round to U.K. singers that almost always sing in a U.S. accent, e.g., I cannt stop, or, she walked outta mah life, or, do you wanna dannce?
My wife said that Phil Collins didn’t do it on the Genesis album, “We can’t dance”, where he sang, “I can’t dance”, but we played it on YouTube, and it sounded like he did sing cannt.
Then my nephew said, “Why don’t Geordies, Scousers, Mancs etc. sing in their normal regional accents?” They just sound like generic Brits.
Without playing loads of Oasis, Beatles, Housemartins, Arctic Monkeys or Joe Cocker, I couldn’t say if he was right or wrong.
If he is right, any idea why?
The only reason I could think of, was more people would buy their stuff, if they could understand the words, but there must be more to it than that.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Frank7 said:

One of my nephews joined us for dinner tonight, and the conversation got round to U.K. singers that almost always sing in a U.S. accent, e.g., I cannt stop, or, she walked outta mah life, or, do you wanna dannce?
My wife said that Phil Collins didn’t do it on the Genesis album, “We can’t dance”, where he sang, “I can’t dance”, but we played it on YouTube, and it sounded like he did sing cannt.
Then my nephew said, “Why don’t Geordies, Scousers, Mancs etc. sing in their normal regional accents?” They just sound like generic Brits.
Without playing loads of Oasis, Beatles, Housemartins, Arctic Monkeys or Joe Cocker, I couldn’t say if he was right or wrong.
If he is right, any idea why?
The only reason I could think of, was more people would buy their stuff, if they could understand the words, but there must be more to it than that.

And to add to that, did you know that people who have a stutter are rarely affected by it when they sing?

[glenrobbo]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

And to add to that, did you know that people who have a stutter are rarely affected by it when they sing?

P-p-p-people t-t-t-try to p-p-p-p-put us d-d-d-d-down.....

[anonymous-user]

I dunno about too cold to snow, but after last night's dinner I was too full to fart. It would have been like opening a Cadbury's Flake in a zero-G sauna.

[Frank7]

glenrobbo said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

And to add to that, did you know that people who have a stutter are rarely affected by it when they sing?

P-p-p-people t-t-t-try to p-p-p-p-put us d-d-d-d-down.....

Go to the top of the class glenrobbo.

[talksthetorque]

Frank7 said:

One of my nephews joined us for dinner tonight, and the conversation got round to U.K. singers that almost always sing in a U.S. accent, e.g., I cannt stop, or, she walked outta mah life, or, do you wanna dannce?
My wife said that Phil Collins didn’t do it on the Genesis album, “We can’t dance”, where he sang, “I can’t dance”, but we played it on YouTube, and it sounded like he did sing cannt.
Then my nephew said, “Why don’t Geordies, Scousers, Mancs etc. sing in their normal regional accents?” They just sound like generic Brits.
Without playing loads of Oasis, Beatles, Housemartins, Arctic Monkeys or Joe Cocker, I couldn’t say if he was right or wrong.
If he is right, any idea why?
The only reason I could think of, was more people would buy their stuff, if they could understand the words, but there must be more to it than that.

I will use the sun to shed some light on this for you.

Put some early Arctic Monkeys on. They say it changes when the sun gus daarn around 'ere.

And if you can't hear a Manc accent in early Oasis lyrics, then there is possibly no way of proving or disproving anything to you about this at all.

You could wait for a lifeteeeyiiime
To spend yer days in the sunsheeeeyiiiiiiine.

[227bhp]

Frank7 said:

One of my nephews joined us for dinner tonight, and the conversation got round to U.K. singers that almost always sing in a U.S. accent, e.g., I cannt stop, or, she walked outta mah life, or, do you wanna dannce?
My wife said that Phil Collins didn’t do it on the Genesis album, “We can’t dance”, where he sang, “I can’t dance”, but we played it on YouTube, and it sounded like he did sing cannt.
Then my nephew said, “Why don’t Geordies, Scousers, Mancs etc. sing in their normal regional accents?” They just sound like generic Brits.
Without playing loads of Oasis, Beatles, Housemartins, Arctic Monkeys or Joe Cocker, I couldn’t say if he was right or wrong.
If he is right, any idea why?
The only reason I could think of, was more people would buy their stuff, if they could understand the words, but there must be more to it than that.

People do sing with accents, Oasis certainly did, Shane MacGowan and so did Jasper Carrot Jimmy Nail didn't....
Only certain words bring out accents, if we all said just the word 'the' then you wouldn't be able to tell where we were from, so if the lyrics of a song which a Brummie sang didn't have 'I'm alright' in it you wouldn't know.
People can increase and decrease their accents and lose them completely, also accents don't often come through in songs as it's lost in the music (Ozzy Osbourne).
There is no simple answer.

[theplayingmantis]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Frank7 said:

One of my nephews joined us for dinner tonight, and the conversation got round to U.K. singers that almost always sing in a U.S. accent, e.g., I cannt stop, or, she walked outta mah life, or, do you wanna dannce?
My wife said that Phil Collins didn’t do it on the Genesis album, “We can’t dance”, where he sang, “I can’t dance”, but we played it on YouTube, and it sounded like he did sing cannt.
Then my nephew said, “Why don’t Geordies, Scousers, Mancs etc. sing in their normal regional accents?” They just sound like generic Brits.
Without playing loads of Oasis, Beatles, Housemartins, Arctic Monkeys or Joe Cocker, I couldn’t say if he was right or wrong.
If he is right, any idea why?
The only reason I could think of, was more people would buy their stuff, if they could understand the words, but there must be more to it than that.

And to add to that, did you know that people who have a stutter are rarely affected by it when they sing?

the late, great scatman john

[227bhp]

talksthetorque said:

Put some early Arctic Monkeys on. They say it changes when the sun gus daarn around 'ere.

I think you've picked the wrong song and lyric there as that isn't what they sing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqkBRVukQmE at 1:40 in.
He does however mention 'Summat' and 'say owt' which is Yorkshire, but are words, not accents.

Edited by 227bhp on Tuesday 22 January 11:36

[DocJock]

The Proclaimers. Q.E.D.

[Shakermaker]

227bhp said:

talksthetorque said:

Put some early Arctic Monkeys on. They say it changes when the sun gus daarn around 'ere.

I think you've picked the wrong song and lyric there as that isn't what they sing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqkBRVukQmE at 1:40 in.
He does however mention 'Summat' and 'say owt' which is Yorkshire, but are words, not accents.

Edited by 227bhp on Tuesday 22 January 11:36

It is what he says towards the end of the song though

[227bhp]

Shakermaker said:

227bhp said:

talksthetorque said:

Put some early Arctic Monkeys on. They say it changes when the sun gus daarn around 'ere.

I think you've picked the wrong song and lyric there as that isn't what they sing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqkBRVukQmE at 1:40 in.
He does however mention 'Summat' and 'say owt' which is Yorkshire, but are words, not accents.

Edited by 227bhp on Tuesday 22 January 11:36

It is what he says towards the end of the song though

I'm not watching it again but that slots in neatly with what I pointed out earlier about people losing their accents when they want to.

[Dr Jekyll]

227bhp said:

I'm not watching it again but that slots in neatly with what I pointed out earlier about people losing their accents when they want to.

By 'lose' an accent you presumably mean adopt a different one?

[SpeckledJim]

When you're singing you're concentrating completely on the specific sounds you're making, arguably more than the words.

Accents are what happens when you're saying words without concentrating on the specific sounds.

[98elise]

Frank7 said:

One of my nephews joined us for dinner tonight, and the conversation got round to U.K. singers that almost always sing in a U.S. accent, e.g., I cannt stop, or, she walked outta mah life, or, do you wanna dannce?
My wife said that Phil Collins didn’t do it on the Genesis album, “We can’t dance”, where he sang, “I can’t dance”, but we played it on YouTube, and it sounded like he did sing cannt.
Then my nephew said, “Why don’t Geordies, Scousers, Mancs etc. sing in their normal regional accents?” They just sound like generic Brits.
Without playing loads of Oasis, Beatles, Housemartins, Arctic Monkeys or Joe Cocker, I couldn’t say if he was right or wrong.
If he is right, any idea why?
The only reason I could think of, was more people would buy their stuff, if they could understand the words, but there must be more to it than that.

I thought it was because most pop/rock music evolved from American rock and roll so the accent became a part of the genre.

It's quite possible to sing with a regional accent, but will sound out of kilter.

Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 22 January 18:45