Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 4]
Discussion
StevieBee said:
I can assure you, that was indeed the original reason for there being no entry on the northbound side. When the M11 was built, the Royal Mint's facility, a few hundred yards from the junction printed bank notes and the government was concerned that the proximity of the motorway would create too easy a getaway route - particularly towards Stansted which then was more akin to an airfield than the airport it is today. The fear was that by the time any theft had been alerted to the police, any haul would be on a plane and gone by the time the police got to the scene.
They no longer print notes there but destroy old ones. Several plans have been put forward to built a northbound entry and will no doubt happen at some point in the future.
There's little official info online (for obvious reasons) but this was confirmed to me some years back by one of the highways team at Epping Forest District Council.
Fair enough. Happy to stand corrected on that one. But obviously this is a special case - there are plenty of other limited access junctions on the motorway network so perhaps you can forgive my initial scepticism. They no longer print notes there but destroy old ones. Several plans have been put forward to built a northbound entry and will no doubt happen at some point in the future.
There's little official info online (for obvious reasons) but this was confirmed to me some years back by one of the highways team at Epping Forest District Council.
Roofless Toothless said:
I lived in Epping for over 30 years and it's 'common knowledge' in those parts that security is the reason for the limited access to the M11 at Debden.
However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
When I worked for the Blood Service, we used to do a donor session in the sports pavilion at the Debden works. (You can see it very clearly as you drive past on the motorway.) One day I happened to be doing the health checks and one of the questions donors are asked is about their recent travel. I couldn't believe how many of these people had been to top end destinations all over the world for their holidays - Seychelles, Rio, the lot. At lunchtime I went outside for some air and walked round the car park. It was ram packed full of expensive Jags, Beemers, even the occasional Bentley.
A few months afterwards, a bunch of them were collared for conspiring with the security people to siphon off free samples of the used notes coming in by the sackfull for incineration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughton_incinerator...
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
£600,000 between 4, that's not too awful. That is just what they found out about!However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
When I worked for the Blood Service, we used to do a donor session in the sports pavilion at the Debden works. (You can see it very clearly as you drive past on the motorway.) One day I happened to be doing the health checks and one of the questions donors are asked is about their recent travel. I couldn't believe how many of these people had been to top end destinations all over the world for their holidays - Seychelles, Rio, the lot. At lunchtime I went outside for some air and walked round the car park. It was ram packed full of expensive Jags, Beemers, even the occasional Bentley.
A few months afterwards, a bunch of them were collared for conspiring with the security people to siphon off free samples of the used notes coming in by the sackfull for incineration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughton_incinerator...
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
Roofless Toothless said:
However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
There was a bloke in South Woodham Ferrers who worked there that was caught lifting notes destined for incineration. He had so many of them he used them to insulate his Mum’s loft – which is how he was caught when she had to have some work done! In court, part of his defence was that they going to be destroyed anyway and that he never spent any of them….apart from on cars and holidays!From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Fair enough. Happy to stand corrected on that one. But obviously this is a special case - there are plenty of other limited access junctions on the motorway network so perhaps you can forgive my initial scepticism.
No worries bud. If you’re interested in such things, have a hunt on You Tube for Jay Forman – he’s done a few programmes on unfinished London which looks at some of the oddities on junctions that go nowhere and the like – really interesting stuff.StevieBee said:
Roofless Toothless said:
However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
There was a bloke in South Woodham Ferrers who worked there that was caught lifting notes destined for incineration. He had so many of them he used them to insulate his Mum’s loft – which is how he was caught when she had to have some work done! In court, part of his defence was that they going to be destroyed anyway and that he never spent any of them….apart from on cars and holidays!From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
StevieBee said:
In Line of Duty, whenever they interview someone, they a) use a tape and b) there's a protracted beep before the machine starts to record. Assuming they mimic reality, what benefit is to be had using a tape and what purpose does the beep serve?
I would think that its because tape is a physical medium, one copy for each person and you can't easily fiddle with it and not leave evidence - you can see if someone has cut/spliced it and if you copy it onto another tape it won't match the original copy. The beep is to check the sound works perhaps, or to give a defined start point to the interview. Maybe if you want to quickly scroll through a tape the machine can find these beeps rather than having to listen to the whole thing over?
Roofless Toothless said:
I lived in Epping for over 30 years and it's 'common knowledge' in those parts that security is the reason for the limited access to the M11 at Debden.
However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
When I worked for the Blood Service, we used to do a donor session in the sports pavilion at the Debden works. (You can see it very clearly as you drive past on the motorway.) One day I happened to be doing the health checks and one of the questions donors are asked is about their recent travel. I couldn't believe how many of these people had been to top end destinations all over the world for their holidays - Seychelles, Rio, the lot. At lunchtime I went outside for some air and walked round the car park. It was ram packed full of expensive Jags, Beemers, even the occasional Bentley.
A few months afterwards, a bunch of them were collared for conspiring with the security people to siphon off free samples of the used notes coming in by the sackfull for incineration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughton_incinerator...
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
Surely a practical way to ensure that people in a position of trust don't commit financial crime is to pay them well in the first place, so that they do not (this one blip apart) succumb to criminality? However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
When I worked for the Blood Service, we used to do a donor session in the sports pavilion at the Debden works. (You can see it very clearly as you drive past on the motorway.) One day I happened to be doing the health checks and one of the questions donors are asked is about their recent travel. I couldn't believe how many of these people had been to top end destinations all over the world for their holidays - Seychelles, Rio, the lot. At lunchtime I went outside for some air and walked round the car park. It was ram packed full of expensive Jags, Beemers, even the occasional Bentley.
A few months afterwards, a bunch of them were collared for conspiring with the security people to siphon off free samples of the used notes coming in by the sackfull for incineration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughton_incinerator...
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
I would imagine somewhere like that is now subject to the strictest of CCTV regimes and everyone is searched on their way in/out of work to prevent a repetition. I would also expect such conditions would be part of the T&Cs of employment there.
PurpleTurtle said:
Roofless Toothless said:
I lived in Epping for over 30 years and it's 'common knowledge' in those parts that security is the reason for the limited access to the M11 at Debden.
However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
When I worked for the Blood Service, we used to do a donor session in the sports pavilion at the Debden works. (You can see it very clearly as you drive past on the motorway.) One day I happened to be doing the health checks and one of the questions donors are asked is about their recent travel. I couldn't believe how many of these people had been to top end destinations all over the world for their holidays - Seychelles, Rio, the lot. At lunchtime I went outside for some air and walked round the car park. It was ram packed full of expensive Jags, Beemers, even the occasional Bentley.
A few months afterwards, a bunch of them were collared for conspiring with the security people to siphon off free samples of the used notes coming in by the sackfull for incineration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughton_incinerator...
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
Surely a practical way to ensure that people in a position of trust don't commit financial crime is to pay them well in the first place, so that they do not (this one blip apart) succumb to criminality? However, the printing works have also had their share of inside jobs when it comes to thieving.
When I worked for the Blood Service, we used to do a donor session in the sports pavilion at the Debden works. (You can see it very clearly as you drive past on the motorway.) One day I happened to be doing the health checks and one of the questions donors are asked is about their recent travel. I couldn't believe how many of these people had been to top end destinations all over the world for their holidays - Seychelles, Rio, the lot. At lunchtime I went outside for some air and walked round the car park. It was ram packed full of expensive Jags, Beemers, even the occasional Bentley.
A few months afterwards, a bunch of them were collared for conspiring with the security people to siphon off free samples of the used notes coming in by the sackfull for incineration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughton_incinerator...
From what I saw that day, those that went down were only the tip of the iceberg.
I would imagine somewhere like that is now subject to the strictest of CCTV regimes and everyone is searched on their way in/out of work to prevent a repetition. I would also expect such conditions would be part of the T&Cs of employment there.
StevieBee said:
In Line of Duty, whenever they interview someone, they a) use a tape and b) there's a protracted beep before the machine starts to record. Assuming they mimic reality, what benefit is to be had using a tape and what purpose does the beep serve?
Does it happen if they resume a recording? If just at the start of a new tape, maybe it has a lead-in section and the beep indicates you've reached the start of the magnetic bit.StevieBee said:
In Line of Duty, whenever they interview someone, they a) use a tape and b) there's a protracted beep before the machine starts to record. Assuming they mimic reality, what benefit is to be had using a tape and what purpose does the beep serve?
To give the viewer a definite sound that recording has begun. Otherwise. what's happening?nonsequitur said:
StevieBee said:
In Line of Duty, whenever they interview someone, they a) use a tape and b) there's a protracted beep before the machine starts to record. Assuming they mimic reality, what benefit is to be had using a tape and what purpose does the beep serve?
To give the viewer a definite sound that recording has begun. Otherwise. what's happening?
StevieBee said:
nonsequitur said:
StevieBee said:
In Line of Duty, whenever they interview someone, they a) use a tape and b) there's a protracted beep before the machine starts to record. Assuming they mimic reality, what benefit is to be had using a tape and what purpose does the beep serve?
To give the viewer a definite sound that recording has begun. Otherwise. what's happening?They might as well just tap on the camera lens and go " Did you get that? Are you all caught up with the plot again now?"
Clockwork Cupcake said:
There are all sorts of reasons why some motorway junctions are built as limited access.
More often it is a financial decision, or a geographical one, or it is deemed that a full access junction would encourage local traffic, or conversely would increase congestion on local roads, or that it is too close to another junction, or any number of reasons. But I very much doubt that those reasons include foiling a bank robbery - I'm calling bulls
t on that one.
M54 north M6. More often it is a financial decision, or a geographical one, or it is deemed that a full access junction would encourage local traffic, or conversely would increase congestion on local roads, or that it is too close to another junction, or any number of reasons. But I very much doubt that those reasons include foiling a bank robbery - I'm calling bulls
t on that one. I mean. Really?!?!
i was browsing cities on google maps streetview and had a look around france marseille.... why does the place look like such a dump? every single each of wall has graffiti on it, including businesses (which must be sad for those who take pride in theri shop). many of the buildings look like they've been adandoned.. i cant imagine someone would want to live in any.
whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
ambuletz said:
i was browsing cities on google maps streetview and had a look around france marseille.... why does the place look like such a dump? every single each of wall has graffiti on it, including businesses (which must be sad for those who take pride in theri shop). many of the buildings look like they've been adandoned.. i cant imagine someone would want to live in any.
whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
Not been to Paris recently? Graffiti seems to run in a continuous 8ft high band everywhere. Plus it’s properly filthy - don’t lean on a wall overlooking the Seine, lest you want your clothes to look the same colour as the wall.whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
ambuletz said:
i was browsing cities on google maps streetview and had a look around france marseille.... why does the place look like such a dump? every single each of wall has graffiti on it, including businesses (which must be sad for those who take pride in theri shop). many of the buildings look like they've been adandoned.. i cant imagine someone would want to live in any.
whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
I would imagine similar reasons to here. Think if places like Bath, Harrogate, York and many similar and you'd find little in the way of urban decay whereas take a stroll round Grimsby, Hull, Workington and.... well, you get the drift. Some towns escape it, others don't.whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
Antony Moxey said:
ambuletz said:
i was browsing cities on google maps streetview and had a look around france marseille.... why does the place look like such a dump? every single each of wall has graffiti on it, including businesses (which must be sad for those who take pride in theri shop). many of the buildings look like they've been adandoned.. i cant imagine someone would want to live in any.
whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
Not been to Paris recently? Graffiti seems to run in a continuous 8ft high band everywhere. Plus it’s properly filthy - don’t lean on a wall overlooking the Seine, lest you want your clothes to look the same colour as the wall.whats the deal with that city? if you have a look at other french cities you will not see graffiti on every single wall there is. its not like its graffiti art either, 90& is basic tags
Germany not far behind.
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