Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 4]
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glazbagun said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
SpeckledJim said:
So how would you characterise ‘poured’ wine, as distinct from ‘pre-poured’ wine?
When has wine been one, but not the other?
Poured wine is wine you have had to pour yourself, or has been poured in front of you. Pre-poured wine is wine that has already been poured for you before you get there, exactly as Frank has described. It has been poured beforehand, so "pre" (as in "before" or "earlier") poured. When has wine been one, but not the other?
21st Century Man said:
Pre is often used in an oxymoronic context (pre-existing is a particularly stupid one).
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
"Poured beforehand in anticipation of the request", if you want to use a much more long-winded and clumsy phrase.Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
Food that has been prepared beforehand can be described as "pre-prepared" surely.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
21st Century Man said:
Pre is often used in an oxymoronic context (pre-existing is a particularly stupid one).
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
"Poured beforehand in anticipation of the request", if you want to use a much more long-winded and clumsy phrase.Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
Food that has been prepared beforehand can be described as "pre-prepared" surely.
Prepare already has the "pre" element, if my year 9 Latin hasn't failed me after 25 years.
And pare - is in paring knife - means to trim or cut.
So prepare is pre-trimming.
Pre-preparing is like pre-pre-trimming.
Or something. f
k knows. But it's a word I've been pondering for a week or so myself, bizarrely.Clockwork Cupcake said:
21st Century Man said:
Pre is often used in an oxymoronic context (pre-existing is a particularly stupid one).
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
"Poured beforehand in anticipation of the request", if you want to use a much more long-winded and clumsy phrase.Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
Food that has been prepared beforehand can be described as "pre-prepared" surely.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
21st Century Man said:
Pre is often used in an oxymoronic context (pre-existing is a particularly stupid one).
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
"Poured beforehand in anticipation of the request", if you want to use a much more long-winded and clumsy phrase.Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
Food that has been prepared beforehand can be described as "pre-prepared" surely.
V8mate said:
OpulentBob said:
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Bob! When did you get out?Was it horrible? Did bigger blokes bum you and stuff?
Good to have you back
A few, er, hiccups in life's merry journey but nothing too drastic, still got all my fingers and toes.
Make a big, black friend as soon as you go in, is my advice.
Seems my dislike of the current trend for 'pre'ing everything isn't entirely unwarranted. I'm especially annoyed (yes, I know, wrong thread) that everything is apparently 'pre-ordered' online rather than just 'ordered'. You either order something or you don't, whether that's before its release date is surely irrelevant, you've still just ordered something?
Ayahuasca said:
flashbang said:
popeyewhite said:
glazbagun said:
Robbo 27 said:
Why do we have fingerprints, how did they evolve?
It is said that they are to amplify textures but that sounds like a guess by a scientist.
The prints on my right hand have all but disappeared due to work, they are as sensitive to texture as my left hand.
Don't know how they evolved, but their function is to increase the surface area of the skin. It is said that they are to amplify textures but that sounds like a guess by a scientist.
The prints on my right hand have all but disappeared due to work, they are as sensitive to texture as my left hand.
Where you say you have lost your fingertips, the skin is actually thicker and protected by dead cells, like on your foot but less extreme. Underneath the fingerprints are still there.
Just as they increase surface area with the air, or whatever you're holding, they also increase surface area with the lower layers of skin which provide blood and nutrients.
From an evolutionarry POV, I don't know, but would guess that they are a response to the increased wear that these areas suffer requiring more resources and benefitting from more cells concentrated in a smaller area.
Changes to the skin on our fingertips gave some advantage in the environment our ancestors were living in. It may have been for extra grip, keeping warm, allowing water to drain away or they may have just made the owner irresistible to females, allowing genes to be passed on. I haven't checked, but you'd expect some 'grippy' members of the animal kingdom to have fingerprints or similar.
Frank7 said:
I hate to disagree with someone that I see as a notch or two above me on the intelligent scale, but if my wife calls me and says, “Just got off the train, I’ll be home in less than 5 minutes”, I’ll uncork a bottle of Viognier and have the wine ready for her when she walks in.
Colour me confused, but if the wine’s ready for her to drink, then it’s been pre-poured, i.e. it WAS in the bottle, but it’s now been poured out, ready for her.
Many years ago on a job related wine appreciation course we were advised to only pour wine when it is ready to be drunk. As the wine escapes from captivity from within the bottle, hits the glass and swirls around and starts breathing, the wine is at it's finest. As you lift it to your mouth and smell the aroma, you have achieved the zenith of the wine's intimate secrets.Colour me confused, but if the wine’s ready for her to drink, then it’s been pre-poured, i.e. it WAS in the bottle, but it’s now been poured out, ready for her.
nonsequitur said:
Many years ago on a job related wine appreciation course we were advised to only pour wine when it is ready to be drunk. As the wine escapes from captivity from within the bottle, hits the glass and swirls around and starts breathing, the wine is at it's finest. As you lift it to your mouth and smell the aroma, you have achieved the zenith of the wine's intimate secrets.
Whilst I'm sure all that is quite true... I don't think it matters when the better half just wants a glass of cheap plonk now. 
OpulentBob said:
No, its not poaching. If you pick up a deer it's classed as a theft under the Deer Act, but to be done for poaching under the Countryside and Wildlife Act (I think it's called) it has to be proven that you have taken your car specifically as a tool for catching pheasants, deer, salmon or whatever - and I don't think there has ever been a single case brought under those circumstances.
Deliberately using your car to catch a Salmon is not generally going to end well.Antony Moxey said:
Seems my dislike of the current trend for 'pre'ing everything isn't entirely unwarranted. I'm especially annoyed (yes, I know, wrong thread) that everything is apparently 'pre-ordered' online rather than just 'ordered'. You either order something or you don't, whether that's before its release date is surely irrelevant, you've still just ordered something?
It depends whether placing things more preciselty on a timeline is important to you."It passed its MOT" is great news for a car you're buying, unless the person saying it means "it passed it's MOT 3 years ago just before the accident".
talksthetorque said:
Antony Moxey said:
Seems my dislike of the current trend for 'pre'ing everything isn't entirely unwarranted. I'm especially annoyed (yes, I know, wrong thread) that everything is apparently 'pre-ordered' online rather than just 'ordered'. You either order something or you don't, whether that's before its release date is surely irrelevant, you've still just ordered something?
It depends whether placing things more preciselty on a timeline is important to you."It passed its MOT" is great news for a car you're buying, unless the person saying it means "it passed it's MOT 3 years ago just before the accident".
Clockwork Cupcake said:
tribalsurfer said:
Deliberately using your car to catch a Salmon is not generally going to end well.
Worked for James Bond in The Spy Who Loved Me. But, generally, yes.
A shotgun would be deemed not sensible either, but as far as I can tell (by looking at my certificate), is perfectly legal (or at least it doesn't say I can't) for "catching and killing" salmon with. (Land permissions notwithstanding etc)
captain_cynic said:
nonsequitur said:
Many years ago on a job related wine appreciation course we were advised to only pour wine when it is ready to be drunk. As the wine escapes from captivity from within the bottle, hits the glass and swirls around and starts breathing, the wine is at it's finest. As you lift it to your mouth and smell the aroma, you have achieved the zenith of the wine's intimate secrets.
Whilst I'm sure all that is quite true... I don't think it matters when the better half just wants a glass of cheap plonk now. Ayahuasca said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
SpeckledJim said:
So how would you characterise ‘poured’ wine, as distinct from ‘pre-poured’ wine?
When has wine been one, but not the other?
Poured wine is wine you have had to pour yourself, or has been poured in front of you. Pre-poured wine is wine that has already been poured for you before you get there, exactly as Frank has described. It has been poured beforehand, so "pre" (as in "before" or "earlier") poured. When has wine been one, but not the other?
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