Genuine question about Muslims and trees..

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James_B said:

Given the larger families that UK Muslims have (on average), then I’d not be at all surprised if the parking requirements gave rise to a positive correlation. What makes you so sure that this is wrong?

So the correlation would be between parking requirements and paving over gardens wouldn’t it? Or between number of cars in a house and paving over gardens. Which isn’t what the OP was asking.

[Shay HTFC]

Jag_NE said:

It was the same where I lived mate. I’m sure London is different but in the provinces if your street becomes a predominantly Asian area then when you come to sell, the white people generally arent interested which means your home ends up being worth far less. The area I grew up in descended into an absolute tip and I had a nightmare shifting my house. The practical reality is that many Asians (in my personal experience) who are otherwise extremely decent people have lifestyles that don’t contribute to an area being “nice” in the eyes of a typical brit who is looking to buy a house. Think awful parking, bad driving, messy gardens, badly maintained houses and an extremely casual attitude to household waste. I felt sorry for the elderly people who weren’t in a position to move and had seen the area descend from a very decent area 20 years ago into a filthy ghetto.

This as well. It almost becomes a race to get out before the only offers you get are cash in hand offers at 60% of the expected value of the house!

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James_B said:

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What is genuinely bizarre is supposedly intelligent people thinking muslims have something against trees.......

Why? They have a fair few customs that seem bizarre to outsiders, such as thinking that dogs are unclean, or that you can’t eat Walls finest pork sausages. Asking the question is surely fair enough.

Not to anybody who has even the most limited of critical thinking skills.

Do some muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do some non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do all muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Do all non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Has there been a national increase in the trend for paving over gardens? Yes
Has there been a national increase in the need for off-road parking? Yes
is there a correlation between garden-paving-over and muslims? No

Tune in for tomorrow’s question “Do jedis prefer magnolia paint for cultural reasons?”

If you had any critical thinking skills you'd realise that when whole swathes of towns turn into barren wastelands, then maybe something is amiss. Maybe it's not religiously driven, but it's very much cultural from what I can gather - as in void of culture!

And do you have the stats proving that there isn't a correlation between greenery getting wiped out and Muslims - because my guess is that you don't, and my guess is that there is!
Because funnily enough, if you used your critical thinking skills then maybe you'd be able to make a link between lack-of-education levels and a complete disregard of anything remotely classy!

Please could you also stretch your critical thinking skills to explain why when a few of these national-trend followers move into an area then the house prices tend to rapidly plummet? Or will your amazing critical thinking skills jump to what we all expect they will?

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 21st August 00:19

[The Dangerous Elk]

To be honest, what ever the reasons it has been a dreadful change to many streets in many towns, it looks st.

[James_B]

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So the correlation would be between parking requirements and paving over gardens wouldn’t it? Or between number of cars in a house and paving over gardens. Which isn’t what the OP was asking.

Are you being intentionally dense here? There being other correlations doesn’t preclude this one being a fact too.

I suspect at this point that you were just trying to be a smart-arse, made up your facts, and are now trying to obfuscate.

Did you have a source, or did you just pull it out of your behind?

[Second Best]

My parents love gardening, they're getting on in years now but have done so since I was a boy. When I was in primary school just over 20 years ago my dad and I used to have an annual competition where we'd both grow pumpkin plants. They still do what they can in their garden, with a couple of lovingly maintained trees and all sorts of interesting plants. The old man's managed to grow some pineapples this year.

Meanwhile, I have no interest in gardening and I've pulled a few plants out of my garden over the years because it's not my thing. As some posters here have alluded to, I'm one of those filthy ghetto Asians who prefers cars over greenery. Noisy, modified cars too.

My neighbours are white on both sides (only 3 houses in my area) and they're lovely. Chap next door loves his V8s, lady on the other side is 900 years old and just turns her hearing aid off when I've got the noisy cars running on the drive.

So, to answer the OP's question, the older muslims seem to enjoy gardening and trees, the younger scummy ones like me are a blight on society and the armed forces would see them right.

I enjoyed my time (as a civvy!) on base.

[alabbasi]

James_B said:

Do you believe this bile, or are you just trying to rile people?

Which culture do you hail from that is so superior?

I don't think that i'm saying anything that not correct. I'm British and I've lived in the US for 18 years. I don't consider one culture as superior over the other. I just think that in the UK, people have become accustomed to government taking their money and handling the decisions.

One example is where property developers have to include a number of homes for 'affordable housing' , meaning you can drop 1/2 million on a house and the council could stick a crack head next door, or build a tower block down the street. It makes it hard to find a really nice area if you want to live in a city.

The personal protection argument is much the same. I read recently on the BBC website of how a shop owner printed flyers of a man he caught CCTV stealing an Ipad and had his ipad returned. He was later told off by the police for breaching the crook's rights (something to do with the data protection act). In the US, the police fully expect you to call around the pawn shops and see if you can find your stuff. They understand that they can't be everywhere and encourage you to protect yourself and your belongings. That's not the culture in the UK.

I could go on, but i'm sure i'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 21st August 04:18

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Shay HTFC said:

Because funnily enough, if you used your critical thinking skills then maybe you'd be able to make a link between lack-of-education levels and a complete disregard of anything remotely classy!

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 21st August 00:19

So if people have block paved gardens it means they’re thick and lack class?

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James_B said:

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So the correlation would be between parking requirements and paving over gardens wouldn’t it? Or between number of cars in a house and paving over gardens. Which isn’t what the OP was asking.

Are you being intentionally dense here? There being other correlations doesn’t preclude this one being a fact too.

I suspect at this point that you were just trying to be a smart-arse, made up your facts, and are now trying to obfuscate.

Did you have a source, or did you just pull it out of your behind?

Stop talking balls.

There are council estates the length and breadth of the country with paved over gardens and not an Asian family in sight.

There are non council estates where gardens have been paved over and not an Asian family in sight.

If you need more parking, and/or if you don’t care about gardening it makes sense to pave over your lawn/garden. All kinds of people do it. You’d have to be a complete moron not to be able to see this. And an even bigger moron to care.

[dai1983]

James_B said:

Why? They have a fair few customs that seem bizarre to outsiders, such as thinking that dogs are unclean, or that you can’t eat Walls finest pork sausages. Asking the question is surely fair enough.

Dogs are unclean and one of the main things that winds me up about ours is all the crap they drag through the house especially in winter. Then there’s the licking their ass and balls before trying to lick your face.

The rest of out street has dropped kerbs due to the council redoing the pavements just before we moved in. Our neighbours say that they paid £300 for just the kerb stones instead of the usual £1500+ it would normally cost to drop the kerb. I was gutted that I missed out for a while but then I feel better when I compare my wall and rose bushes to their unfinished looking shingle wasteland. No issues parking as we’ve a drive for one car and I can park in front of the drive if the is street busy. 99.9% of the time it isn’t due to the neighbours new parking bays! We have a garage but a modern car wouldn’t fit down the rest of the drive so good excuse for a classic!

ETA: Only one black Merc in sight and its owned by a white person.

Edited by dai1983 on Tuesday 21st August 08:17

[bobbo89]

Block paved front garden, preferbly with a diamond print in it and no dropped kerb / extension of the dropped kerb and so technically illegal?

Nope, definately dont see that down every street in certain areas of where i work in West Yorkshire

[Shay HTFC]

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So if people have block paved gardens it means they’re thick and lack class?

If the people who have been 'upgrading' their houses on my mum's street have more than 2 A-levels between them then I'll gladly wire you across £100!

Cheap pinkish-looking concrete slabs dropped down at wonky angles is hardly the work of a design genius!

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 21st August 09:28

[bobbo89]

Shay HTFC said:

If the people who have been 'upgrading' their houses on my mum's street have more than 2 A-levels between them then I'll gladly wire you across £100!

Cheap pinkish-looking concrete slabs dropped down at wonky angles is hardly the work of a design genius!

Edited by Shay HTFC on Tuesday 21st August 09:28

Extra points for leaving the footing of the wall they knocked down still visible!

[dai1983]

bobbo89 said:

Extra points for leaving the footing of the wall they knocked down still visible!

A big fan of the chippings spilling onto the pavement and road look

[austinsmirk]

weirdly I'd say its a thing. The Pakistani community do seem to fell trees without regard to anything, eg protected status.

Broadly I'd say its to extend houses, park more cars on driveways and get as much concrete/flag/driveway down as possible.

Of course sometimes its so you can land a helicopter in a garden.



http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/1063298...

old story on tree felling

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/7996285...


couldn't find the recent one I wanted- the homeowner was claiming he knew nothing of his entire garden of mature protected trees being felled as he was in Pakistan at the time. Found guilty of course.

I'm forever going on holiday and coming home to mysterious gardeners doing work on my property.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Parking under trees usually means it gets covered in little sap spots - very annoying. I try to avoid parking under trees for this reason and keep a chainsaw in the boot just in case.

[The Dangerous Elk]

anonymous said:

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and that does not happen often in areas that do it, they are normally now dumps (just like Luton & Dunstable has become).

[alabbasi]

It could be worse, you could have a neighbor with a caravan. Then your neighborhood will look like a frigging camp site.

Anyway, I'm going back to the Show us your Mercedes thread. I hear that it's Eid and there should be some lovely polished examples coming along any minute now.

[echazfraz]

alabbasi said:

That's a British thing and comes from the British culture which is lacking personal responsibility. The British society, re-enforced by the government encourages a culture to accept that somebody else will take care of it for you. Whether majority black, brown or white. If you walk into a council block , the elevators will smell off pee. Whether you accept it or not, it was like that way before the immigrants showed up,

This stinks like some of that dog st that you had to tip-toe around as a kid.

It most certainly is not a "British thing" to leave ste at your arse. It's an upbringing and social responsibility thing.

And that goes from upper class to working or lower or whatever it's called.

[Robbo 27]

anonymous said:

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Good point, and given the choice of naighbours either paving front gardens or parking their cars ed on the pavement including in front of my house, then pave away pal.

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

7 pages and no-one has spotted the correct reasoning for paving over one's front garden.


It stops powerfully built company director types hammering frozen sausages into one's lawn.