Genuine question about Muslims and trees..
Discussion
Shay HTFC said:
Ok, so I have a genuine question about housing and wondered if someone knew what the reasons behind certain decisions are..
So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak s
thole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.
So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
You could be describing where I live. I have noticed this too, some elderly Muslims have moved in quite close and within a month they have removed all the conifers in their establish garden, and they have a black S class! I assumed it was a cultural thing as opposed to religion.So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak s
thole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
He also smokes something that has an evil smell in his garden, not weed, overpowering in its smell and strength
This is a bit of a pet hate of mine....not Muslims...but people, paving over the whole of their front gardens. It is about a maximising parking space, and minimising garden maintenance. Eventually can make the street look rubbish.
Similar to paving over your garden and dropping you kerb, now you have permeant space. made the street look worse and took a freely available street parking space and made it YOURS.
I think it is driven more by a mid-set "getting ahead' and nothing to do with religious culture, driving through a (no better word I'm afraid) white part of B'ham yesterday and low and behold a number of very large (£1m+) houses with largely tarmc front gardens.
I think what the OP is seeing, is "maximisers" moving in and they just happend to be of a certain community.
* maximisers - entrepreneurial attitude, that has many virtues buy equally can manifest itself in some "dog eat dog" selfish behaviour
Similar to paving over your garden and dropping you kerb, now you have permeant space. made the street look worse and took a freely available street parking space and made it YOURS.
I think it is driven more by a mid-set "getting ahead' and nothing to do with religious culture, driving through a (no better word I'm afraid) white part of B'ham yesterday and low and behold a number of very large (£1m+) houses with largely tarmc front gardens.
I think what the OP is seeing, is "maximisers" moving in and they just happend to be of a certain community.
* maximisers - entrepreneurial attitude, that has many virtues buy equally can manifest itself in some "dog eat dog" selfish behaviour
Sold a house in Herts about 6 years ago...charming "70s modern home", now rerendered, modernised, some of the trees gone and larger drive laid, and now back on the mkt.
This was the view from the office window when I lived there, 2nd photo is what it looks like now. The trees have gone, grass bank has gone and block paving put down. This (i think) was reasonably sympathetically done, I've seen much worse.
Its not a cultural thing...it's a modern thing....some people just don't get green spaces and trees.
This was the view from the office window when I lived there, 2nd photo is what it looks like now. The trees have gone, grass bank has gone and block paving put down. This (i think) was reasonably sympathetically done, I've seen much worse.
Its not a cultural thing...it's a modern thing....some people just don't get green spaces and trees.
Edited by Wilmslowboy on Sunday 19th August 08:55
It's because the vast majority of them don't give a toss about their surroundings, the local wildlife and the country they live in, they have different values. The latest Merc or Audi that they can afford is more important. It's their culture, where they came from there were no gardens and no pride. It's rare you'll see one walking a dog too.
Get used to it, it'll become more commonplace.
Get used to it, it'll become more commonplace.
A work colleague of mine has told me that when she moved into her house, the old couple she bought it off left a dossier on all the different trees & plants that no doubt they took great pride in.
She freely admits most are now dead or removed. A real shame IMO. She just says she had no interest, Indian BTW.
She freely admits most are now dead or removed. A real shame IMO. She just says she had no interest, Indian BTW.
227bhp said:
It's because the vast majority of them don't give a toss about their surroundings, the local wildlife and the country they live in, .....
By them I assume you mean councils, who are responsible for the most tree felling ?https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sunday-times-in...
You are also right about not walking dogs, you wont see me doing it........... as our lab has a torn cruciate ligament so is house bound for at least a couple of months.
On a slighly more serious note, there appears to be more prevalent lack of respect for surroundings etc but this not limited to religion or enthicty..... I witnessed a number of youths chuking our their Mcds packaging along a country road recently.
I think it's a modern thing, along with painting your house in shades of grey and a general aversion to colour. (I inadvertently wandered into
the 'home' section of Next the other day and thought I was in a monochrome movie)
It's a real shame, you can always repaint a house or fit a more interesting kitchen, gardens take yrs to get established.
the 'home' section of Next the other day and thought I was in a monochrome movie)
It's a real shame, you can always repaint a house or fit a more interesting kitchen, gardens take yrs to get established.
Shay HTFC said:
Ok, so I have a genuine question about housing and wondered if someone knew what the reasons behind certain decisions are..
So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak sthole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.
So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
I think I may be missing a subtle joke here but I can't work out what it is!So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak s
thole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
How do you know that all/any of the families have a faith? If so, why do you assume it is Muslim? How do you know where they lived before they moved in? It may not be to your taste but you don't own their houses and don't get to say what they do with them.
Casual racism is uncool!
Wilmslowboy said:
227bhp said:
It's because the vast majority of them don't give a toss about their surroundings, the local wildlife and the country they live in, .....
By them I assume you mean councils, who are responsible for the most tree felling ?https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sunday-times-in...
You are also right about not walking dogs, you wont see me doing it........... as our lab has a torn cruciate ligament so is house bound for at least a couple of months.
On a slighly more serious note, there appears to be more prevalent lack of respect for surroundings etc but this not limited to religion or enthicty..... I witnessed a number of youths chuking our their Mcds packaging along a country road recently.
Rewe said:
I think I may be missing a subtle joke here but I can't work out what it is!
How do you know that all/any of the families have a faith? If so, why do you assume it is Muslim? How do you know where they lived before they moved in? It may not be to your taste but you don't own their houses and don't get to say what they do with them.
Casual racism is uncool!
Ahh, there we have it, the racism card, I wondered how long that would take.How do you know that all/any of the families have a faith? If so, why do you assume it is Muslim? How do you know where they lived before they moved in? It may not be to your taste but you don't own their houses and don't get to say what they do with them.
Casual racism is uncool!
Funny how racism only seems to work one way isn't it. ie...From White to Black/Brown(insert other skin colours here.....)
Are some religions not racist to a certain extent towards Whites when they refuse to integrate and co-exist with a westernised society?
Going off track a little here...apologies.
Alucidnation said:
First thing to go when I buy any properties is trees, especially if i feel they are too close to the house etc or showing signs of age.
Can't be doing with having to maintain them.
Sounds like you are a multi-property landlord type then?Can't be doing with having to maintain them.
Because that's annoying too. In an even more exclusive street than my mother's, two end terrace houses (and we're talking big old Victorian terraces with French windows and living rooms full of bookcases and grandfather clocks; not pokey Coronation Street type things) have just been sold, most likely to property developers, who have just ripped everything out and sandblasted the walls and it looks seriously s
te!If it continues then the street is going to go from a place that was genuinely impressive to drive down, to basically just a slightly beefed up Coronation Street. It's actually cultural vandalism that's going on!
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