Genuine question about Muslims and trees..
Discussion
Different groups/cultures have different priorities, where my parents live in South Manchester there was a church converted to a mosque, not all the houses of any size that come up are bought by Muslim families.
The houses do seem to then get extended as much as possible and parking optimised for more cars, there is stuff about parents living with the eldest son or something I remember a mate telling me, so it might be down to perhaps 7 people living in a house that previously had 4 or 5.
If you turn it on it head, perhaps its white Brits are a bit freaky about green stuff being all around them and tending gardens ? same as we tend to gravitate towards dog ownership, drinking loads of booze and buying Fords and Vauxhalls ?
The houses do seem to then get extended as much as possible and parking optimised for more cars, there is stuff about parents living with the eldest son or something I remember a mate telling me, so it might be down to perhaps 7 people living in a house that previously had 4 or 5.
If you turn it on it head, perhaps its white Brits are a bit freaky about green stuff being all around them and tending gardens ? same as we tend to gravitate towards dog ownership, drinking loads of booze and buying Fords and Vauxhalls ?
alabbasi said:
and not seeing your mother for a few years is bad business. You should see her more often.
To be honest, thats not strictly true! Spent a while camped back there and visiting every few months - just this is the first time I've been back properly in a while and had a look around. I'm not that bad a person!Edited by Shay HTFC on Sunday 19th August 17:00
Shay HTFC said:
To be honest, thats not strictly true! Spent a while camped back there and visiting every few months - just this is the first time I've been back properly in a while and had a look around. I'm not that bad a person!
Fair play, and not all brown people dislike gardens. I picked up this little push mower at a yard sale here in Dallas TX to take back to my parents house on my next visit. My father is now in his mid 80's. He likes his garden but it's getting harder for him to keep up with it. This little mower will be perfect for when me or my brother to use when we visit.
I used to live in an area that had a high % of Bangladeshis living in it and the majority were not particularly interested in keeping the area pretty. They were not keen on keeping windows clean and gardens tidy, houses were often shabby looking. Lots of German cars kicking around however. The white folk were in the main moving out and cheesed off with the situation. At the end of the day it’s their property and they can do (or not do) what they choose but I’d be lying if based upon that experience I would ever choose to live in an area like that again, I can’t shut out that I keep my house nice and many others don’t give a monkeys. On the plus side they weren’t likely to be having cider parties on a Tuesday afternoon so swings and roundabouts.
Making room for the sheds for beds, innit! 
Jokes aside, it may well be a cultural / taste thing, not everyone is the same by any stretch. I bought a bathroom from ebay, pretty normal thing for a clockroom, went to collect it was a huge showroom and WH it was in deepest Luton!! It was mad busy, the guys were great and I will get my next bathroom from them too, BUT, some of the suites they had were like NOTHING I have ever seen, outside of that TV show about Versace being killed!! Unbelievably ostentatious sanitaryware, and they guy said, his local customers love it, hence he has stock of it.
Not my taste at all, and definitely not homes under the hammer renovations style, but some like it, and nowt wrong with that.
Jokes aside, it may well be a cultural / taste thing, not everyone is the same by any stretch. I bought a bathroom from ebay, pretty normal thing for a clockroom, went to collect it was a huge showroom and WH it was in deepest Luton!! It was mad busy, the guys were great and I will get my next bathroom from them too, BUT, some of the suites they had were like NOTHING I have ever seen, outside of that TV show about Versace being killed!! Unbelievably ostentatious sanitaryware, and they guy said, his local customers love it, hence he has stock of it.
Not my taste at all, and definitely not homes under the hammer renovations style, but some like it, and nowt wrong with that.
Jag_NE said:
I used to live in an area that had a high % of Bangladeshis living in it and the majority were not particularly interested in keeping the area pretty. They were not keen on keeping windows clean and gardens tidy, houses were often shabby looking
That's a British thing and comes from the British culture which is lacking personal responsibility. The British society, re-enforced by the government encourages a culture to accept that somebody else will take care of it for you. Whether majority black, brown or white. If you walk into a council block , the elevators will smell off pee. Whether you accept it or not, it was like that way before the immigrants showed up,We went to a primary school was in East Acton (1980-1984) because my mother at the time was doing her Phd at Hammersmith Hospital. The school was on a road where the majority of people were non immigrant English working class.
The two things I remember most about walking to school was the smell of bacon and eggs, and tip toeing around dog poo. Walking that road was like walking through minefield.
My parents now live in Ealing which is supposed to be the greenest borough in London. There's trash everywhere on Gunnersbury park. There are dogs running loose all over the park, I saw a Transit van on bricks with the wheel missing in December, and 6 months later, the same van was in the same place with the wheel missing.
When I visit, it takes me 3-4 days to get used to all the trash, it's actually quite stressful.
You couldn't get away with this sh*t in Texas. If there was a car on jack stands parked in my neighborhood, the council will sticker it and pick it up within a couple of days. if you don't cut your grass or pick up after your trash, then the city will do it for you and send you a big bill. The mess you make affects your neighbors property value and the city's tax revenue and that's fine by me because I love living in a lovely well kept multi cultural neighborhood.
Jag_NE said:
I used to live in an area that had a high % of Bangladeshis living in it and the majority were not particularly interested in keeping the area pretty. They were not keen on keeping windows clean and gardens tidy, houses were often shabby looking. Lots of German cars kicking around however. The white folk were in the main moving out and cheesed off with the situation. At the end of the day it’s their property and they can do (or not do) what they choose but I’d be lying if based upon that experience I would ever choose to live in an area like that again, I can’t shut out that I keep my house nice and many others don’t give a monkeys. On the plus side they weren’t likely to be having cider parties on a Tuesday afternoon so swings and roundabouts.
To be fair I had a Muslim mate at uni who used to say "Why does it matter what the outside of the house looks like, as long as its neat and tidy on the inside", which has always sort of been the opposite to my approach of making sure everything looks neat outside first, and then sorting out inside.Everytime I've been to Asia, the street has been seen as a sort of waste space. You just chuck everything onto the street and make sure the inside of your house is clean. Literally seen people just dumping buckets of s
t filled water into the street outside their front door, and its someone else's job to clean it up.I can't help but imagine that some of that attitude carries across, because parts of Halifax are literal s
t tips!It could also just be a poverty thing and I'm sure the white council estates can be just as grim!
Edited by Shay HTFC on Sunday 19th August 19:19
The paving of front gardens has been a bit of an issue nationally - https://theecologist.org/2015/jun/30/keep-our-fron...
The last time I travelled out of London to the A1 I was struck by how commonplace it was in the suburbs.
The last time I travelled out of London to the A1 I was struck by how commonplace it was in the suburbs.
alabbasi said:
You couldn't get away wit h this sh*t in Texas. If there was a car on jack stands parked in my neighborhood, the council will sticker it and pick it up within a couple of days. if you don't cut your grass or pick up after your trash, then the city will do it for you and send you a big bill. The mess you make affects your neighbors property value and the city's tax revenue and that's fine by me because I love living in a lovely well kept multi cultural neighborhood.
America, Land of the Free... Sway said:
alabbasi said:
You couldn't get away wit h this sh*t in Texas. If there was a car on jack stands parked in my neighborhood, the council will sticker it and pick it up within a couple of days. if you don't cut your grass or pick up after your trash, then the city will do it for you and send you a big bill. The mess you make affects your neighbors property value and the city's tax revenue and that's fine by me because I love living in a lovely well kept multi cultural neighborhood.
America, Land of the Free... hole to make an entire street look rubbish.Shay HTFC said:
Ok, so I have a genuine question about housing and wondered if someone knew what the reasons behind certain decisions are..
So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak sthole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.
So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
Nope - it’s simply what they do. The gardens will always have to go to make parking for the German cars. So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak s
thole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
Mrs DS and I have a timetable in place for moving out from the location we are in (where I’ve always lived, I love it here)
because of this. We want to be selling in 2020. They decimate the value of your home - my home is part of my pension. I don’t want the aggro with them taking the piss and causing issues with parking, dealing drugs etc. We have shared gates and driveway with next doors and they’re great, but he has MS. If they sell up then we are f
ked - I lose sleep over this. It will wipe 30-40% off the value of our home julianm said:
The paving of front gardens has been a bit of an issue nationally - https://theecologist.org/2015/jun/30/keep-our-fron...
The last time I travelled out of London to the A1 I was struck by how commonplace it was in the suburbs.
The last time I travelled out of London to the A1 I was struck by how commonplace it was in the suburbs.
Only on PH would a thread about paving over front gardens be about Muslims.Anyway, in my view it's done by people of any colour/race/religion who (as my mum would say) know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
unsprung said:
Sway said:
I don't necessarily disagree - I just always find it amusing how vocal Americans (and more noticeably emigrants to America) are about the freedom in the States, whilst ignoring how massively authoritative and conformist it is.
to me your argument has a studenty flavour
Perhaps more of my kids has rubbed off on me than the other way around...
However, surely you can see the cognitive dissonance in 'the Land of the Free' whilst fining people for not cleaning up their front yard?
Shay HTFC said:
trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel,
I actually wonder why more people dont do this, instead struggling to park on the street!
my mates just moved to a house huge back garden single width drive at front and has a tiny bit of front lawn, I said I'd just block pave that as well and get two cars side by side, instead he struggles to park on the street along with all his neighbors doing the same thing, looks far worse than a tree missing.
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