Was life in Britain better twenty years ago?

Was life in Britain better twenty years ago?

Poll: Was life in Britain better twenty years ago?

Total Members Polled: 330

Yes: 62%
No: 38%
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bloomen

2,675 posts

103 months

Saturday 20th July
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Schmed said:
What worries me is strength of character and hard work seem to be omitted in recent generations
Sitting around feeling entitled will quickly fade away when you start starving to death. I see younglings grafting away every day.


Schmed said:
but does the prospect of never owning a house, never having job security or a safe pension really bother the zero hours generation quite as much ? Probably not once they inherit their parents houses and in the interim PCP their white Audi S3’s...
You'd have to be pretty darned out there to not be irritated by that but few people in their teens or twenties think through that stuff properly at that age.


Jimboka

7,884 posts

148 months

Saturday 20th July
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Things were far better 20 years ago, even 5 years ago.
A shame that Cameron & fellow Tory scum trashed it & restricted the options for the ambitious younger generation

bigdog3

1,750 posts

124 months

Saturday 20th July
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Frimley111R said:
No, for example, cars are much safer/more efficient/faster etc.,
Journey times take longer today - cars have got slower grumpy

classicaholic

294 posts

14 months

Saturday 20th July
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20 years ago life was a lot easier in business, not so much hassle and low balling through the web and much less red tape, I was a whole lot better off as well and so were all my employees. We were looking forward to the new millennium with hope but its been a bit of a let down so far!

STe_rsv4

337 posts

42 months

Saturday 20th July
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Schmed said:
STe_rsv4 said:
As good as the tech is now, improved living conditions and the Internet and all that Shiz, I actually still look back at the late 90s as being the best year's of my life.
I'm probably being a bit nostalgic but as already said, the music was great and diverse (dance / indie / rock), the pub scene was fantastic, it was a massive buzz meeting your mates on a night out without mobile phones spoiling the scene and actually having to chat up women instead of faceperving them, the cars were great fun to drive and modifying was part and parcel of ownership. Getting 10bhp was a job in itself!
The max power scene was alive!
But no group really has a true point of reference to compare, gen Xers will always prefer the late 90s as they were young then. Today’s millennials, will they prefer the 00s or 10s with such enthusiasm? Boomer parents always prefer 60s bands and yet we prefer late 90s Pearl Jam and the music of the generation below you is always st. What worries me is strength of character and hard work seem to be omitted in recent generations with the “everybody gets a trophy” liberal education left wing bullstters so gen y think they can get rich investing in bitcoin, so we had the 00s .com boom as a comparison and cheap balance transfers, boomers had cheap housing and defined contribution pension schemes. To us oldsters it seems far worse each generation, but does the prospect of never owning a house, never having job security or a safe pension really bother the zero hours generation quite as much ? Probably not once they inherit their parents houses and in the interim PCP their white Audi S3’s...
Agree.
My 10 year old daughter thinks her calling in life is being a "YouTuber"! I tried convincing her that real trades lie in becoming a vet / surgeon or engineer, but she sits and watches stampycat or some st where some rich American guy who hires lamborghinis screams over the video of some kid playing Xbox games and she thins this is where the money is made.

Salmonofdoubt

628 posts

12 months

Saturday 20th July
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I turned 40 this week and voted yes.

The last 20 years have been a mixed bag for me personally. Some highs, some lows, some very poor career advice, a lot of failure, but where I am now isn't to be sniffed at.

I think if you were just entering adulthood the following ten years gave you a lot of opportunities if you had the skills to take advantage of them (IT mainly). People who are a little older will have done well from rising house prices, boom times in employment and the easy credit culture.

But I feel like the past 20 years has led us to a world where lots of people feel a sense of entitlement. The link between hard work and achievements has been broken. Now people want insta wealth and there are a great many people who lack any kind of work ethic.

IMHO some of that is down to the erosion of individuality as many people are sucked into a group think way of existing by social media. That thing with the potential for good has been abused by the angry and the devious to divide communities. I think that fearing of your neighbour is a huge negative. 20 years ago I knew everyone in my street, and in those of my friends. Now I only know the name of my immediate neighbour, and the ones on one side of my parents (where I lived in 1999).

Technology is better now, the world is smaller and twenty years has meant I've got the hang of most of it. But it would be nice to be able to go back to 1999 and leave some warnings about what is to come. Along with a few share tips for holding and shorting.

STe_rsv4

337 posts

42 months

Sunday 21st July
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Salmonofdoubt said:
I turned 40 this week and voted yes.

The last 20 years have been a mixed bag for me personally. Some highs, some lows, some very poor career advice, a lot of failure, but where I am now isn't to be sniffed at.

I think if you were just entering adulthood the following ten years gave you a lot of opportunities if you had the skills to take advantage of them (IT mainly). People who are a little older will have done well from rising house prices, boom times in employment and the easy credit culture.

But I feel like the past 20 years has led us to a world where lots of people feel a sense of entitlement. The link between hard work and achievements has been broken. Now people want insta wealth and there are a great many people who lack any kind of work ethic.

IMHO some of that is down to the erosion of individuality as many people are sucked into a group think way of existing by social media. That thing with the potential for good has been abused by the angry and the devious to divide communities. I think that fearing of your neighbour is a huge negative. 20 years ago I knew everyone in my street, and in those of my friends. Now I only know the name of my immediate neighbour, and the ones on one side of my parents (where I lived in 1999).

Technology is better now, the world is smaller and twenty years has meant I've got the hang of most of it. But it would be nice to be able to go back to 1999 and leave some warnings about what is to come. Along with a few share tips for holding and shorting.
Touche

I've just seen around 6 or 7 different Facebook groups on my news feed share a "girl has been abducted, please share!" post.

Yet on the police page they cannot confirm that any child has been reported missing, but the pitchforks are out and the crowd has assembled around the are it has been reported.
If it turns out that indeed a young girl has been abducted, then ill hold my hands up and admit I am a pessimistic tt and I should have maybe done more to spread the word/ join in the witch hunt of which I have little detail and data to track the perpetrators.
However, I feel its too easy to take someone else's word on social media and spread rumours that can lead to hysteria without the proper information

But that 2019 for you


eskidavies

3,034 posts

103 months

Sunday 21st July
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Yes I had a manta gte,until a mate put it sideways into a lamppost while I was in police custody for being drunk and disorderly,he bought me XR 3i as replacement ,weren’t the same driving front wheels ,bought a Sierra 20is and tweaked its bit ,ohh the good old days

GetCarter

26,681 posts

223 months

Sunday 21st July
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LimaDelta said:


Africa was just one of many places our ancestors passed through.
For the record, this is incorrect.

LimaDelta

3,890 posts

162 months

Sunday 21st July
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GetCarter said:
LimaDelta said:


Africa was just one of many places our ancestors passed through.
For the record, this is incorrect.
For the record, it isn't. Unless of course you are limiting our ancestors to homo-sapiens (which is just as daft as saying that "all my ancestors are anglo-saxons"), our timeline goes back much much further than that as my earlier post illustrates). Where do you think our reptilian stem and limbic brains came from?

Edit - but we are drifting miles off topic here :/

mike74

1,344 posts

76 months

Sunday 21st July
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bloomen said:
Schmed said:
What worries me is strength of character and hard work seem to be omitted in recent generations
Sitting around feeling entitled will quickly fade away when you start starving to death. I see younglings grafting away every day.

I'd say strength of character and hard work seems seems to come and go alternately with each generation....

You had the parents of boomers who lived through 2 world wars and the Great Depression yet just quietly got on with working hard, making sacrifices and generally doing what needed to be done.

Then you had the boomers who were, let's say, the complete opposite of the above.

Then Gen X who were generally stoic with a good work ethic and a social conscience whilst getting very little reward for their endeavours.

Then the Millennials, where we are once again back to the boomer attitude of narcissism, entitlement and emotional immaturity and fragility.

Edited by mike74 on Sunday 21st July 06:09

The Mad Monk

5,141 posts

61 months

Sunday 21st July
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Isaac Hunt said:
ETA I am probably more English than the Royal family.
That's not difficult.

El stovey

27,138 posts

207 months

Sunday 21st July
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There’s a lot of talk about millennials and genx and baby boomers but isn’t this just older people complaining about the “youth of today”

I remember when I started my job over 20 years ago, hearing the old guys complaining about my generation. Now there’s loads of young people, who I guess are millennials but they still work hard and are professional and have achieved at least the same as me but in harder circumstances to get there.

It’s certainly harder for people leaving school or university now than it was in my day. My contemporaries walked into good jobs and started paying off houses after graduating. Now I know plenty of people whose kids are still living at home in their twenties. Maybe this is an unexpected benefit and the family unit will be strengthened by families living together longer?

Generally I think things are better now, than twenty years ago. The internet alone is a fantastic resource. Online shopping, FaceTime, help and information about anything.

‘Things’ are always changing, just make use of the good bits and be wary of the bad bits but don’t over concentrate on them and blow them out of proportion.
Often it’s people's perception of what’s bad that creates the problem. That perception comes from social media and forums and online echo chambers created by search algorithms.




Edited by El stovey on Sunday 21st July 06:56

S100HP

9,902 posts

111 months

Sunday 21st July
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Seems quite a few people believe millennials are those becoming adults now. You're likely a millennial if you were born 1981 – 1996.

Generation Z are those entitled kids just entering the world of work now. They were born 1996 - 2010.

LimaDelta

3,890 posts

162 months

Sunday 21st July
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El stovey said:
There’s a lot of talk about millennials and genx and baby boomers but isn’t this just older people complaining about the “youth of today”

I remember when I started my job over 20 years ago, hearing the old guys complaining about my generation. Now there’s loads of young people, who I guess are millennials but they still work hard and are professional and have achieved at least the same as me but in harder circumstances to get there.
Completely agree. The average age of our crew is probably mid to late 20's. The are all well motivated, hard working and professional. This may not be true for all walks of life but I don't see many issues with the "youth of today".

El stovey

27,138 posts

207 months

Sunday 21st July
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S100HP said:
Seems quite a few people believe millennials are those becoming adults now. You're likely a millennial if you were born 1981 – 1996.

Generation Z are those entitled kids just entering the world of work now. They were born 1996 - 2010.
Do these generational labels actually have any real meaning? If they are entitled, isn’t it because their parents have helped make them like that. A generation of kids can’t really randomly all have the same characteristics.

Workplaces, or the big bad world haven’t really changed. If you don’t work hard and get the right qualifications and can’t do a job, you’ll be replaced by those who can.

Surely there will always be “entitled” people who expect it all but they’re either going to have the resources or ability to achieve it or going to have a rude awakening at some point.


Thankyou4calling

6,935 posts

117 months

Sunday 21st July
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Apart from in a specific family the idea of a “Generation “ has no meaning whatsoever

I don’t associate with people of “My generation” I associate with people my age, 30 years younger, 30 years older.

The idea that tree is a mass of people of a certain type, a certain “Generation “ is to my mind rubbish.

I go to places and see people of all ages happily mixing with loads in common.

I don’t see “baby boomers” sitting on one side of a room or “ Gen x” on another.

I’m a certain age, definitely not a certain generation. That’s invented by marketeers.

Spare tyre

4,005 posts

74 months

Sunday 21st July
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Stop moaning, in 20 years time you’ll be looking back at 2019 and saying how good it was in comparison to 2039

Btw, how much will a freddo cost in 2039

El stovey

27,138 posts

207 months

Sunday 21st July
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Spare tyre said:
Stop moaning, in 20 years time you’ll be looking back at 2019 and saying how good it was in comparison to 2039

Btw, how much will a freddo cost in 2039
23,000 bezos or 15,000 icredits

Isaac Hunt

10,133 posts

155 months

Sunday 21st July
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Mortgage payments in relation to income.



So a bit lower in 1999, but we were still in the recession although unemployment rates were comparable.