What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
valiant said:
Nope. Just light rail and metros.
At the moment NR is playing around with moving block signalling (sort of a precursor but still miles off driverless) and that alone will cost hundreds of billions to install network wide especially when you think that some parts of our network still rely on semaphore signalling.
No, driverless trains are for the birds and only brought up by Daily Mail enthusiasts who knows nothing about the railway except what Lord Rothermere tells them.
And it's not the TOCs really whose holding up negotiations but the DfT. The TOCs want to settle but the government prefers not to. ASLEF has also made itself available for talks for the past year but noone form the DfT has come forward.
Oh, and the DLR has a member of staff aboard every single train. No staff - no service. ORR condition.
Hehe, I thought being deliberately vague would get a good reaction - my apologies.At the moment NR is playing around with moving block signalling (sort of a precursor but still miles off driverless) and that alone will cost hundreds of billions to install network wide especially when you think that some parts of our network still rely on semaphore signalling.
No, driverless trains are for the birds and only brought up by Daily Mail enthusiasts who knows nothing about the railway except what Lord Rothermere tells them.
And it's not the TOCs really whose holding up negotiations but the DfT. The TOCs want to settle but the government prefers not to. ASLEF has also made itself available for talks for the past year but noone form the DfT has come forward.
Oh, and the DLR has a member of staff aboard every single train. No staff - no service. ORR condition.
Edited by valiant on Monday 8th April 11:01
I am generally very supportive of unions and think the right to strike - along with other forms of collective action - are crucial for a fair society and if anything aren't used enough. I think the vitriol directed at the those partaking in industrial action is probably highly amusing to the powerful, pitting the workers against other workers has always been a favourite sport.
I also think trying to do away with guards and station staff is a huge mistake and should be fought at both industrial and consumer levels. Certainly for customers, this should be a far higher priority than drivers as their role seems far less replaceable but, from a technology standpoint, I really can't see why driverless is such a difficult thing to achieve? What am I missing?
e-honda said:
2xChevrons said:
Trains may be very easy to automate, but railways most definitely are not.
What does that mean?Vast amounts of railway switching and signalling that was once manual has already been automated.
I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
Blown2CV said:
it's not the tech that is the issue - it's the passengers.
I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
I commuted for 25 years on a mainline train with no conductor. It didn't bother me in the slightest. There was no way to talk to anyone other than pulling the emergency cord. The single occasion (out of over 10,000 journeys) that I recall this happening, we hadn't even left the terminus and it was the station staff that dealt with it.I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
It never caused me any disquiet nor did it the other passengers, as far as I could see. certainly the trains were rammed to the gills, so they weren't voting with their feet.
Strangely Brown said:
Not that unpopular. I support Israel and I think Netanyahu should refuse to negotiate anything until all of the remaining hostages are released. Then, and only then, should any talks take place. Hostages first. Talk second.
Yeh because he’s a nice guy and the indiscriminate killing would stop….its Israel they do what the f
k they want…AstonZagato said:
Blown2CV said:
it's not the tech that is the issue - it's the passengers.
I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
I commuted for 25 years on a mainline train with no conductor. It didn't bother me in the slightest. There was no way to talk to anyone other than pulling the emergency cord. The single occasion (out of over 10,000 journeys) that I recall this happening, we hadn't even left the terminus and it was the station staff that dealt with it.I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
It never caused me any disquiet nor did it the other passengers, as far as I could see. certainly the trains were rammed to the gills, so they weren't voting with their feet.
President Merkin said:
And we were discussing trains without drivers, not guards.
You may have been but Blown2CV wasn't.Blown2CV said:
it's not the tech that is the issue - it's the passengers.
I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
Kuwahara said:
Strangely Brown said:
Not that unpopular. I support Israel and I think Netanyahu should refuse to negotiate anything until all of the remaining hostages are released. Then, and only then, should any talks take place. Hostages first. Talk second.
Yeh because he’s a nice guy and the indiscriminate killing would stop….its Israel they do what the fk they want…kwits of hamas (hezbollah and Iran options are also available)Blown2CV said:
AstonZagato said:
Blown2CV said:
it's not the tech that is the issue - it's the passengers.
I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
I commuted for 25 years on a mainline train with no conductor. It didn't bother me in the slightest. There was no way to talk to anyone other than pulling the emergency cord. The single occasion (out of over 10,000 journeys) that I recall this happening, we hadn't even left the terminus and it was the station staff that dealt with it.I don't think most members of the public, if they really were honest, are ready for totally automated high speed trains. We're still obsessed with the idea that we have to have a 'conductor' to speak to if things go wrong. It's a comfort thing.
It never caused me any disquiet nor did it the other passengers, as far as I could see. certainly the trains were rammed to the gills, so they weren't voting with their feet.
You are no more qualified to state than I am - except possibly that I have travelled hundreds of thousands of miles on trains with no 'conductor', alongside many tens of thousands of people who never raised this as an issue in my earshot over 25 years. I heard many, many complaints about punctuality, reliability, cleanliness, timetable changes, drivers' strikes, etc. over the years (though most of the time people just suffered in silence). In my wide sample, there was never a time when people compained that there was no conductor on the train or that they felt unsafe.
Strangely Brown said:
DodgyGeezer said:
unpopular opinions?
I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
Not that unpopular. I support Israel and I think Netanyahu should refuse to negotiate anything until all of the remaining hostages are released. Then, and only then, should any talks take place. Hostages first. Talk second.I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
Actually I think it is, and certainly should be, a very unpopular opinion.
Strangely Brown said:
DodgyGeezer said:
unpopular opinions?
I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
Not that unpopular. I support Israel and I think Netanyahu should refuse to negotiate anything until all of the remaining hostages are released. Then, and only then, should any talks take place. Hostages first. Talk second.I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
However I think the sad fact is there will be few, if any hostages left alive.
President Merkin said:
AstonZagato said:
You may have been but Blown2CV wasn't.
I think you have misunderstood what B2CV was saying...captain_cynic said:
Strangely Brown said:
DodgyGeezer said:
unpopular opinions?
I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
Not that unpopular. I support Israel and I think Netanyahu should refuse to negotiate anything until all of the remaining hostages are released. Then, and only then, should any talks take place. Hostages first. Talk second.I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
However I think the sad fact is there will be few, if any hostages left alive.
Randy Winkman said:
captain_cynic said:
Strangely Brown said:
DodgyGeezer said:
unpopular opinions?
I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
Not that unpopular. I support Israel and I think Netanyahu should refuse to negotiate anything until all of the remaining hostages are released. Then, and only then, should any talks take place. Hostages first. Talk second.I support Israel (though Netanyahu needs to be gone)
However I think the sad fact is there will be few, if any hostages left alive.
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