Using your benefit money for gambling
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Yeah it'd instantly create a massive black market for the cards. You could hinder a bit with having to show ID to use the card but then you'd just end up seeing some junkie going through the till in Tesco with a nicely dressed middle class person with a trolley full of Prosecco and weight watcher frozen meals... it'd be obvious what was going on but no realistic way to stop it.
theguvernor15 said:
Photo ID card, so like a pre-paid photo card?
I haven't thought of the specifics, of course they could 'buy' a load of food & sell it for cash at half the price.
You'd end up with crackheads outside supermarkets grabbing people getting out their cars, asking if they want a discount on their shopping I haven't thought of the specifics, of course they could 'buy' a load of food & sell it for cash at half the price.
steveo3002 said:
repercussions for those that trash council houses /make the street a s
thole
What repercussions can you realistically put in place when its 2 jobless losers living with several completely innocent kids? tholeI think unfortunately we just need to accept that the tiny scumbag minority can do as they please
Algarve said:
What repercussions can you realistically put in place when its 2 jobless losers living with several completely innocent kids?
I think unfortunately we just need to accept that the tiny scumbag minority can do as they please
yeah i dont know how , just seems mad theyre allowed to carry on , you know given a smart house to live in you need to carry out a minimum of maintenance , i guess when you sign up agree that if you dont cut the lawn/ clear up rubbish then someone else will and the money comes out of the hand outs I think unfortunately we just need to accept that the tiny scumbag minority can do as they please
offer those that are genuine down on their luck and want to work some sort of top up scheme where they can improve areas or attend education staffed by army types not some liberal sort
also drink and drug testing
Edited by steveo3002 on Friday 29th November 15:36
funkyrobot said:
I have a recently diagnosed health issue that causes me pain. I have a long term back issue that has caused me problems on and off for over 12 years. I also have mental health and anxiety issues. It has never stopped me trying and I still go to work, despite sometimes being quite anxious and my hip giving me a load of grief. I guess I find it odd that I'm at work earning minimum wage and these shysters seem to carry on without a care in the world.
Does this mean those of us who don’t have a health condition and are earning good salaries can look down on you? steveo3002 said:
also drink and drug testing
You'd end up harming the people who have a few joints or pints on a Friday night, while as usual the people addicted to hard drugs just do as they want with no real repercussions. If I only had £30 to cover my entertainment bill for the week I'd be failing alcohol and drug tests too
GOATever said:
This was pure genius, from the idiot politicians that brought it in. Mind you, it keeps high court bailiffs, house clearance companies, and refurbers in business.
I’ve a tenant on HB. It comes direct to me, no problems either way. The tenant is sane and normal, though...Bookmakers / Lottery retailers / Gambling machines only to be allowed to take bets if the stake is paid on a debit card (this would also stop problems of money laundering and people getting seriously into debt on credit cards).
Debit card companies to limit spending with bookmakers to 10% of the money put into the account from salary/dividend/pension payments over the course of a month (if most of the income was benefits this would prevent gambling this away).
Debit card companies to be required to implement a facility to prevent any spending with bookmakers if a customer requests it because they know they have a problem or court orders it (which they could do if a client has committed a crime to pay for gambling or because they were violent when they lost money).
Debit card companies to limit spending with bookmakers to 10% of the money put into the account from salary/dividend/pension payments over the course of a month (if most of the income was benefits this would prevent gambling this away).
Debit card companies to be required to implement a facility to prevent any spending with bookmakers if a customer requests it because they know they have a problem or court orders it (which they could do if a client has committed a crime to pay for gambling or because they were violent when they lost money).
purplepolarbear said:
Debit card companies to limit spending with bookmakers to 10% of the money put into the account from salary/dividend/pension payments over the course of a month (if most of the income was benefits this would prevent gambling this away).
It'd help, but if I was determined I'd use my card to buy nappies and steaks and sell them at 75% of receipt value. Then go to Ladbrokes.
wormus said:
funkyrobot said:
I have a recently diagnosed health issue that causes me pain. I have a long term back issue that has caused me problems on and off for over 12 years. I also have mental health and anxiety issues. It has never stopped me trying and I still go to work, despite sometimes being quite anxious and my hip giving me a load of grief. I guess I find it odd that I'm at work earning minimum wage and these shysters seem to carry on without a care in the world.
Does this mean those of us who don’t have a health condition and are earning good salaries can look down on you? 
KingNothing said:
theguvernor15 said:
I'm also fully aware there's probably a large flaw to my 'idea',
Chiefly, them selling their store credit to punters for 50% of the value in cash.Hopefully this will slowly get knocked on the head over time as its realised that paying the feckless to have kids is not only bad at time of conception but that unfortunately these children are highly unlikely to break the cycle and themselves will end up mimicking the lifestyle of their parents.
Ive seen families now into 3rd generation, Grand parents with long history of benefits, then parents who have never worked, then the 18yr old now onto 2nd child, and that cycle will likely continue onto 4th gen in time.
The limitation of child tax credits (now a part of universal credit) to the first 2 children is a start. As that is one of the biggest amounts, Previoulsy it used to work out around £60 per child per week, with no upper limit, The family with 5 children could equal £300 in child tax credits per week, plus child benefit (£100) this is increased further for each disabled child on top of DLA/PIP etc. Hence a lucrative increase and people can argue about ADD etc that seems to have soared massively in recent times. and then on top of that JSA/ESA/universal credit etc. As such its easy to see how all added up you get the daily mail stories of £30000 a year in benefits.
its a hard problem to solve, You have to accept there are people out there who truly do need the financial support to live a normal life, Do you want to be a part of a society that provides the bare minimum for people unfortunate to have been dealt a bad hand in life? but then also its became a fairly accessible lifestyle for those that dont want to put any effort in and are happy to accept this as a "salary" and in alot of cases would generally be more than they would be paid as a salary from employment.
How do you stop one without affecting the other.
Ive seen families now into 3rd generation, Grand parents with long history of benefits, then parents who have never worked, then the 18yr old now onto 2nd child, and that cycle will likely continue onto 4th gen in time.
The limitation of child tax credits (now a part of universal credit) to the first 2 children is a start. As that is one of the biggest amounts, Previoulsy it used to work out around £60 per child per week, with no upper limit, The family with 5 children could equal £300 in child tax credits per week, plus child benefit (£100) this is increased further for each disabled child on top of DLA/PIP etc. Hence a lucrative increase and people can argue about ADD etc that seems to have soared massively in recent times. and then on top of that JSA/ESA/universal credit etc. As such its easy to see how all added up you get the daily mail stories of £30000 a year in benefits.
its a hard problem to solve, You have to accept there are people out there who truly do need the financial support to live a normal life, Do you want to be a part of a society that provides the bare minimum for people unfortunate to have been dealt a bad hand in life? but then also its became a fairly accessible lifestyle for those that dont want to put any effort in and are happy to accept this as a "salary" and in alot of cases would generally be more than they would be paid as a salary from employment.
How do you stop one without affecting the other.
theguvernor15 said:
....
I'm also fully aware there's probably a large flaw to my 'idea',
The flaw being that there are not as many people like this as Boris and the Daily Heil headlines will have you believe, but the demonisation of the lower classes is well on its way..I'm also fully aware there's probably a large flaw to my 'idea',
Immigrants:"They took our jerrrrbs"
Brown people: splodey
Unemployed: work shy scrounging layabouts
Disabled: all fake, just get out of that wheelchair and get a job
And when everyone hates them no one will give a s
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