Share Your Interesting But Not Very Useful Facts

Share Your Interesting But Not Very Useful Facts

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nismocat

399 posts

9 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Great story!

(Although apparently it’s been beaten by a few satellites)

KaraK

13,187 posts

210 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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hairy v said:
The fastest manmade object isn't a hypersonic jet or spacecraft, but a large manhole cover....

When the US started doing underground nuclear testing, nobody really knew what would happen. One test bomb was placed at the bottom of a 485-foot deep shaft on July 26, 1957, and someone thought it was a good idea to put a half-ton iron manhole cover on top to contain the explosion. The bomb turned the shaft into the world's largest Roman candle, and the manhole cover was nowhere to be found.

Robert Brownlee, an astrophysicist who designed the test, wanted to repeat the experiment with high-speed cameras so he could figure out what happened to the cover. So another experiment was created, this time 500-feet deep, and a similar half-ton manhole cover was placed on top. On August 27, 1957, they detonated the bomb. The high-speed cameras barely caught a view of the cover as it left the top of the shaft and headed into oblivion. Brownlee used the frames to calculate the speed to be more than 125,000 miles per hour.... more than five times the escape velocity of the Earth, and the fastest man-made object in history.

Physicists have debated the whereabouts of the two manhole covers ever since. Recently, with the help of supercomputers and a lot more scientific knowledge, physicists are certain that they wouldn't have had time to burn up completely before exiting the atmosphere. This means both of the remaining pieces would have passed Pluto's orbit sometime around 1961 and are way beyond the edge of the solar system by now.
Always a great story, I have to say though [citation needed] on the last bit. Whenever I see the anecdote repeated that "physicists" are "certain" it would have survived the trip out of the atmosphere there's never any names or links to work supporting it.

The only times I've seen physicists do any actual math on it the answer always comes out that it's almost certain to have vaporized well before it reached space, if there's new data out there though it would be cool to see.

mko9

2,388 posts

213 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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KaraK said:
hairy v said:
The fastest manmade object isn't a hypersonic jet or spacecraft, but a large manhole cover....

When the US started doing underground nuclear testing, nobody really knew what would happen. One test bomb was placed at the bottom of a 485-foot deep shaft on July 26, 1957, and someone thought it was a good idea to put a half-ton iron manhole cover on top to contain the explosion. The bomb turned the shaft into the world's largest Roman candle, and the manhole cover was nowhere to be found.

Robert Brownlee, an astrophysicist who designed the test, wanted to repeat the experiment with high-speed cameras so he could figure out what happened to the cover. So another experiment was created, this time 500-feet deep, and a similar half-ton manhole cover was placed on top. On August 27, 1957, they detonated the bomb. The high-speed cameras barely caught a view of the cover as it left the top of the shaft and headed into oblivion. Brownlee used the frames to calculate the speed to be more than 125,000 miles per hour.... more than five times the escape velocity of the Earth, and the fastest man-made object in history.

Physicists have debated the whereabouts of the two manhole covers ever since. Recently, with the help of supercomputers and a lot more scientific knowledge, physicists are certain that they wouldn't have had time to burn up completely before exiting the atmosphere. This means both of the remaining pieces would have passed Pluto's orbit sometime around 1961 and are way beyond the edge of the solar system by now.
Always a great story, I have to say though [citation needed] on the last bit. Whenever I see the anecdote repeated that "physicists" are "certain" it would have survived the trip out of the atmosphere there's never any names or links to work supporting it.

The only times I've seen physicists do any actual math on it the answer always comes out that it's almost certain to have vaporized well before it reached space, if there's new data out there though it would be cool to see.
On the flip side though, that is about 35mi/sec, straight up. It would have taken less than a second to be far enough out of the atmosphere for any friction heating to be irrelevant. Probably a giant molten steel slug that then re-congealed in space. Certainly not manhole cover shaped anymore. That is just speculation on my part though, don't have the maths and engineering skills to figure out a proper answer.

CT05 Nose Cone

24,993 posts

228 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Denmark and Canada share a land border

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island

sean ie3

2,058 posts

137 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Tilda rice is better.

Silver Smudger

3,305 posts

168 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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sean ie3 said:
Tilda rice is better.
I had not heard that she was unwell

nismocat

399 posts

9 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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sean ie3 said:
Tilda rice is better.
My Asian wife still finds it amusing westerns buy packed and pre cooked rice!

psi310398

9,141 posts

204 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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nismocat said:
sean ie3 said:
Tilda rice is better.
My Asian wife still finds it amusing westerns buy packed and pre cooked rice!
Uncle Roger of YouTube fame is quite vocal on this topic, especially when Jamie Oliver is the culprit!

hairy v

1,207 posts

145 months

Sunday 17th December 2023
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Also played son of Frankenstein apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Dunagan

Frimley111R

15,690 posts

235 months

Monday 1st January
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If the Arctic snow cap melts completely it won't make any difference to sea levels.

No Egyptian pharaoh was ever buried in a pyramid.

Fleas carried the plague. Mice carried fleas. If you had a cat you were unlikely to get the plague because the cats stopped/killed the mice. Many single women had cats and people often believed that they were witches as they didn't catch the plague. Hence, why cats are associated with witches to this day.

(All from Neil Degrasse Tyson)

eldar

21,811 posts

197 months

Monday 1st January
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Frimley111R said:
If the Arctic snow cap melts completely it won't make any difference to sea levels.

No Egyptian pharaoh was ever buried in a pyramid.

Fleas carried the plague. Mice carried fleas. If you had a cat you were unlikely to get the plague because the cats stopped/killed the mice. Many single women had cats and people often believed that they were witches as they didn't catch the plague. Hence, why cats are associated with witches to this day.

(All from Neil Degrasse Tyson)
Cats are susceptible the plague, and quite efficient at spreading it.

https://www.cdc.gov/plague/healthcare/veterinarian...

Nethybridge

973 posts

13 months

Monday 1st January
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80% of high rise buildings dispense with a 13th floor [ source National Geographic ] .

Fermit

13,045 posts

101 months

Monday 1st January
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Nethybridge said:
80% of high rise buildings dispense with a 13th floor [ source National Geographic ] .
Similar to this, many cruise liners are the same.

GroundEffect

13,845 posts

157 months

Monday 1st January
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Frimley111R said:
If the Arctic snow cap melts completely it won't make any difference to sea levels.

No Egyptian pharaoh was ever buried in a pyramid.

Fleas carried the plague. Mice carried fleas. If you had a cat you were unlikely to get the plague because the cats stopped/killed the mice. Many single women had cats and people often believed that they were witches as they didn't catch the plague. Hence, why cats are associated with witches to this day.

(All from Neil Degrasse Tyson)
The first one is not quite true. Read here: https://sealevel.nasa.gov/news/261/melting-ocean-i...

Of course the biggest effect is ice on land melting into the sea.

eldar

21,811 posts

197 months

Monday 1st January
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In the USA in 1900, between 25% and 30% of cars were powered by electricity.

Fermit

13,045 posts

101 months

Monday 1st January
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eldar said:
In the USA in 1900, between 25% and 30% of cars were powered by electricity.
You could ask, if they didn't have staying power then why should they now.

classicaholic

1,730 posts

71 months

Monday 1st January
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nismocat said:
Rotor blades on USA built helicopters go anti clockwise whereas European go clockwise.
There’s also a correlation between where the pilot sits.

Not sure where the UK is with all this. Do we even make helis?
On my Enstrom the pilot sits in left seat but on my R44 you sit in right seat, no idea why, there is no other problem though, the collective is on the left and the pedals work the same, on US helicopters when you hover taxi the left pedal turns you left & vice versa, not sure about Eurocopters though.

Stan the Bat

8,941 posts

213 months

Monday 1st January
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classicaholic said:
nismocat said:
Rotor blades on USA built helicopters go anti clockwise whereas European go clockwise.
There’s also a correlation between where the pilot sits.

Not sure where the UK is with all this. Do we even make helis?
On my Enstrom the pilot sits in left seat but on my R44 you sit in right seat, no idea why, there is no other problem though, the collective is on the left and the pedals work the same, on US helicopters when you hover taxi the left pedal turns you left & vice versa, not sure about Eurocopters though.
You have two helicopters ! yikes

QJumper

2,709 posts

27 months

Monday 1st January
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Fermit said:
eldar said:
In the USA in 1900, between 25% and 30% of cars were powered by electricity.
You could ask, if they didn't have staying power then why should they now.
Technology advancements, and the changing dynamic over the previous relatively cheap and easy availability of oil.


Edited by QJumper on Monday 1st January 19:49

GroundEffect

13,845 posts

157 months

Monday 1st January
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Fermit said:
eldar said:
In the USA in 1900, between 25% and 30% of cars were powered by electricity.
You could ask, if they didn't have staying power then why should they now.
Well yes, and answered pretty simply with energy density:

Pb-Acid batteries, that acted as the primary batteries in these EVs had typically 30Wh/kg.

Li-Ion batteries in current EVs are around 230Wh/kg at the pack level.

And power density:

Pb-Acid: 180W/kg
Li-Ion: 300W/kg

And cost:

Li-Ion cells in 2010: $1100/kWh
Li-Ion cells in 2023: $100/kWh