When will we be able to go to the pub again?
Discussion
unident said:
Confused by your fixed cut off. Why 50? Why not 40? There’ll be the usual uproar when someone dies who was 49 and 363 days old when the cut off date was announced. Or do you send people home when they turn 50. Bit too much Logan’s Run for my taste.
Even if it was a sensible solution from a medical point of view, there's no way in hell the Tories would ever do it anyway because the huge majority of their core voters are over 50. Pantechnicon said:
All this talk of pubs got me thinking, Beer kegs have a shelf life so surely all the big producers have stopped production? So will they not need some kind of notice to start again and then there’s the mass distribution that’s going to be needed to restock all the pubs at the same time. Anyone in the know care to comment
No brewery will be producing any barrels of beer in the UK until they get a date for pubs opening up again, kegs that operate under Co2 have a shelf life for around 60 days but once open it will only good for a few weeks. Cask ale is about a week but really you want to drink it a day or 2 after it has settledThe lagering process is quite slow and takes Heineken a month in their breweries but some will take much longer, the German breweries following tradition that supply Oktoberfest will start in March or April... Those supplying supermarkets etc will be carrying on just on a smaller scale
Real ale is much quicker but you have the shelf life issue, if pubs go back to normal once open then that wont be an issue but if the demand is not there then expect a more limited choice on tap
RichFN2 said:
Pantechnicon said:
All this talk of pubs got me thinking, Beer kegs have a shelf life so surely all the big producers have stopped production? So will they not need some kind of notice to start again and then there’s the mass distribution that’s going to be needed to restock all the pubs at the same time. Anyone in the know care to comment
No brewery will be producing any barrels of beer in the UK until they get a date for pubs opening up again, kegs that operate under Co2 have a shelf life for around 60 days but once open it will only good for a few weeks. Cask ale is about a week but really you want to drink it a day or 2 after it has settledThe lagering process is quite slow and takes Heineken a month in their breweries but some will take much longer, the German breweries following tradition that supply Oktoberfest will start in March or April... Those supplying supermarkets etc will be carrying on just on a smaller scale
Real ale is much quicker but you have the shelf life issue, if pubs go back to normal once open then that wont be an issue but if the demand is not there then expect a more limited choice on tap
I think the biggest issue will be how many small pubs and breweries will reopen after all this is over.
ecsrobin said:
RichFN2 said:
Pantechnicon said:
All this talk of pubs got me thinking, Beer kegs have a shelf life so surely all the big producers have stopped production? So will they not need some kind of notice to start again and then there’s the mass distribution that’s going to be needed to restock all the pubs at the same time. Anyone in the know care to comment
No brewery will be producing any barrels of beer in the UK until they get a date for pubs opening up again, kegs that operate under Co2 have a shelf life for around 60 days but once open it will only good for a few weeks. Cask ale is about a week but really you want to drink it a day or 2 after it has settledThe lagering process is quite slow and takes Heineken a month in their breweries but some will take much longer, the German breweries following tradition that supply Oktoberfest will start in March or April... Those supplying supermarkets etc will be carrying on just on a smaller scale
Real ale is much quicker but you have the shelf life issue, if pubs go back to normal once open then that wont be an issue but if the demand is not there then expect a more limited choice on tap
I think the biggest issue will be how many small pubs and breweries will reopen after all this is over.
It's all very well banning a trade from reopening til late this year early next but what's going to be left to open?
If that's the case I'd say no more than 20% would reopen.
The rest going bust and others not wanting to be the black sheep in any future pandemics where they end up the whipping boy.
At the moment breweries are considered essential business, the one i am a member of (Tring brewery) are still trading for bottles and carryout pints which you pay for in advance and they bring it to your car. They have always been very popular and i suspect they will be able to still sell enough to keep them going, plus you have membership income on top of that
The smaller micro or nano breweries will find this very challenging, some round here have decided to close and i suspect a few will not reopen. When it comes to gin and ale the competition was so strong that plenty will have been struggling before the Coronavirus
The smaller micro or nano breweries will find this very challenging, some round here have decided to close and i suspect a few will not reopen. When it comes to gin and ale the competition was so strong that plenty will have been struggling before the Coronavirus
kambites said:
Which means not just found, but found, tested, mass produced, distributed and given to enough of the population to create herd immunity. I think the absolute earliest we're going to see is that is around this time next year, late next year is more likely. One has to imagine pubs will be amongst the last things to reopen.
Good luck keeping people indoors for 18 months. Ain't gonna happen. People will be murdering each other long before it happens, the virus will be the least of our problems!RichFN2 said:
The smaller micro or nano breweries will find this very challenging, some round here have decided to close and i suspect a few will not reopen. When it comes to gin and ale the competition was so strong that plenty will have been struggling before the Coronavirus
I think the bars and breweries/distilleries that just shut up shop to ride it out will be the ones we don’t see returning. A very popular bar near me has shut up to ride it out whereas the small new bar nearby is doing online drinking sessions with a different brewery/brewer each week. They’re not Selling beer but the sessions seem popular and those people who join them will almost certainly return to spend their money at the earliest opportunity, the more established place I can see drifting away into the back of people’s minds and struggling for custom when the time comes to reopen.
The economics may be very challenging due to social distancing....here is an interesting US article published today:.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04...
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04...
milfordkong said:
stongle said:
Megaflow said:
For everybody saying it will be July/mid summer at the earliest. The government only announced 12 weeks of furlough, which takes us to the 23th June as the person from Greene King said. Unless they extend that, which given that is all China had, seems unlikely, anything beyond that means most pubs and bars will be out of business very quickly.
So, having said that, why not try and put a f
king positive on this st situation and look forward to pubs hopefully open in late June, instead of being so depressing and claiming pubs are going to open until September at the absolute earliest!
Have a +1.So, having said that, why not try and put a f
king positive on this st situation and look forward to pubs hopefully open in late June, instead of being so depressing and claiming pubs are going to open until September at the absolute earliest! It’s looking further away than ever
Robertj21a said:
The problem must simply be that pubs, like restaurants, clubs, football etc encourages groups to congregate in close proximity, for lengthy periods. As such, they are likely to be some of the last to reopen.
If only the Clap for the NHS bks was similarly restrictive. unident said:
Robertj21a said:
The problem must simply be that pubs, like restaurants, clubs, football etc encourages groups to congregate in close proximity, for lengthy periods. As such, they are likely to be some of the last to reopen.
If only the Clap for the NHS bks was similarly restrictive. Robertj21a said:
The problem must simply be that pubs, like restaurants, clubs, football etc encourages groups to congregate in close proximity, for lengthy periods. As such, they are likely to be some of the last to reopen.
Well yes, but if we have crowded commuter transport, because people can go back to work, and we have school classrooms and people crammed into aeroplanes..........how does keeping pubs and sports stadiums closed make any sense?What Sweden is doing is to allow pubs and restaurants to remain open but with table service only. Perhaps that's a good half way (public) house?
Brave Fart said:
Robertj21a said:
The problem must simply be that pubs, like restaurants, clubs, football etc encourages groups to congregate in close proximity, for lengthy periods. As such, they are likely to be some of the last to reopen.
Well yes, but if we have crowded commuter transport, because people can go back to work, and we have school classrooms and people crammed into aeroplanes..........how does keeping pubs and sports stadiums closed make any sense?What Sweden is doing is to allow pubs and restaurants to remain open but with table service only. Perhaps that's a good half way (public) house?
Probably not quite the same as allowing frustrated drinkers to go crazy at every pub all over the country......
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