Ghosts

[uncle tez]

I used to see and hear things in my old house
It was an old terraced house built in 1870. One night when I went to the toilet I saw a young girl, at the time I thought it was my girlfriend but she quickly
Disappeared. I put this down to me being half asleep and seeing things but after that things started happening more often.

I was living alone for a while and when I would come home I would often walk in to the girl sat on the stairs, as if she was waiting for me.
Being young and a bit of a lad I would occasionally bring a girl home which she didn't seem to like.
Lights would come on and doors would slam but only when I had female company.

Eventually, new girlfriend moved in and things carried on. She went downstairs one morning and found all the kitchen cupboards and drawers open.
Things would move or go missing and her cats would often be spooked and act strange for no obvious reason.

We used to call her Jane and if anything was going on or would heard noises coming from upstairs we would joking say its "its just Jane"

I tried to research the history of the property but found nothing.
A few years later buy chance I saw something on a local Facebook group about WW2 bombings that had missed the target and hit our town (North Manchester)

Most landed in empty fields but 2 landed in built up areas. One of these landed in a street called Victoria street and a young girl had died.
It turns out that the street I was living on had been renamed and was in fact called Victoria street originally.
A few people were talking about this incident and somebody knew the original family who lost their daughter.
Her name was indeed Jane

I moved house and haven't seen or heard anything since.

[Sticks.]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Or is just mistaken, or hasn't seen the full picture and has missed the logical explanation, or lots of other rational stuff. I'm sure lying and bonkers figure in there too, but not exclusively, as you seem to think.

Ok, yes, missing some reasonable explanation as well. But given the numbers, still highly improbable.

[smn159]

Sticks. said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Or is just mistaken, or hasn't seen the full picture and has missed the logical explanation, or lots of other rational stuff. I'm sure lying and bonkers figure in there too, but not exclusively, as you seem to think.

Ok, yes, missing some reasonable explanation as well. But given the numbers, still highly improbable.

Not nearly as improbable as ghosts though. Also, there have been many 'reports' of alien abductions / 5G causing Covid / healing caused by prayers or homeopathy / Bigfoot / the Loch Ness monster / you name it.

Is it your position to believe them all, or do you apply any sort of filtering at all to this stuff?

[Ayahuasca]

According to some scientists, there is realistic possibility that we are all living in a computer simulation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-l...

If we are in a simulation, ghosts are easy to explain - they are either deliberately programmed in, or glitches in the simulation.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Sticks. said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Or is just mistaken, or hasn't seen the full picture and has missed the logical explanation, or lots of other rational stuff. I'm sure lying and bonkers figure in there too, but not exclusively, as you seem to think.

Ok, yes, missing some reasonable explanation as well. But given the numbers, still highly improbable.

But as I said upthread, not half as improbable as every ghost knowing the location of every CCTV camera in the world, and managing to avoid them.

[Ayahuasca]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Sticks. said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Or is just mistaken, or hasn't seen the full picture and has missed the logical explanation, or lots of other rational stuff. I'm sure lying and bonkers figure in there too, but not exclusively, as you seem to think.

Ok, yes, missing some reasonable explanation as well. But given the numbers, still highly improbable.

But as I said upthread, not half as improbable as every ghost knowing the location of every CCTV camera in the world, and managing to avoid them.

Can you see music on CCTV cameras? No. Some people can see music due to mixed circuits in their brains.

https://www.healthline.com/health/synesthesia

Does music exist?

Yes, and some people can see it.

[LimSlip]

Castrol for a knave said:

It's not a case of proving they do not exist, it is a case of the basic A level physics says they could not exist, unless we have our understanding of the laws of thermodynamics wrong.

For ghost to exist it would require energy, and it would certainly go against what we know if they comprised matter. So, given entropy, where does that energy come from ? If we assume they take in energy form somewhere (quite where since they have no matter), they are an open system and subject to equilibrium.

I have probably worded that poorly, as a nerd rather than scientist, but I think it accords to my hobbyist understanding.

Maybe that solves the mystery of "dark matter", a st load of ghosts floating around space.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Ayahuasca said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Sticks. said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Or is just mistaken, or hasn't seen the full picture and has missed the logical explanation, or lots of other rational stuff. I'm sure lying and bonkers figure in there too, but not exclusively, as you seem to think.

Ok, yes, missing some reasonable explanation as well. But given the numbers, still highly improbable.

But as I said upthread, not half as improbable as every ghost knowing the location of every CCTV camera in the world, and managing to avoid them.

Can you see music on CCTV cameras? No. Some people can see music due to mixed circuits in their brains.

https://www.healthline.com/health/synesthesia

Does music exist?

Yes, and some people can see it.

I can see furniture moving. Or I can see it's in a different place from where I left it. Many of these ghosts move stuff, we know that much from the reports on this thread. So how come every single "moving stuff" ghost has skilfully managed to evade CCTV.

Plus, they cannot see music. Music isn't a visual medium. A fault in their brains creates an image to match the music, giving them the impression of seeing music. If you played the music but muted it, so there was no volume, they wouldn't see it and couldn't tell you what was playing.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Wednesday 14th October 14:22

[Ayahuasca]

LimSlip said:

Castrol for a knave said:

It's not a case of proving they do not exist, it is a case of the basic A level physics says they could not exist, unless we have our understanding of the laws of thermodynamics wrong.

For ghost to exist it would require energy, and it would certainly go against what we know if they comprised matter. So, given entropy, where does that energy come from ? If we assume they take in energy form somewhere (quite where since they have no matter), they are an open system and subject to equilibrium.

I have probably worded that poorly, as a nerd rather than scientist, but I think it accords to my hobbyist understanding.

Maybe that solves the mystery of "dark matter", a st load of ghosts floating around space.

Scientists still have no idea what dark matter is, or dark energy, and those things are so massive they are responsible for moving whole galaxies. And, amazing, no dark matter or dark energy has ever been captured on cctv!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Ayahuasca said:

Scientists still have no idea what dark matter is, or dark energy, and those things are so massive they are responsible for moving whole galaxies. And, amazing, no dark matter or dark energy has ever been captured on cctv!

But galaxies moving have been seen. How can a Ghost move a chair, covered by cctv, and the chair not move on cctv. Does the cctv continue to show the chair in the wrong place? If the cctv filmed someone sitting on the chair, would they fall on their backside because it's been moved?

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

There is no right or wrong answer on this. The simple truth is we don't know 100% if they exist or not.

We do not know 100% that the Earth isn't only 6000 years old, and many young Earth creationists claim. It could be that God has planted a whole load of false clues to make it appear older, as a test of faith.

However, I'm not sure saying "we do not know 100%" advances any argument very far.

Some things are so vanishingly unlikely that they can be dismissed, and categorised as the wrong answer, in the complete lack of any evidence for their veracity. Ghosts fall into this category. There is a right answer, they don't exist, because they can't exist. Because...laws of physics.

..........is your viewpoint on it.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

There is no right or wrong answer on this. The simple truth is we don't know 100% if they exist or not.

We do not know 100% that the Earth isn't only 6000 years old, and many young Earth creationists claim. It could be that God has planted a whole load of false clues to make it appear older, as a test of faith.

However, I'm not sure saying "we do not know 100%" advances any argument very far.

Some things are so vanishingly unlikely that they can be dismissed, and categorised as the wrong answer, in the complete lack of any evidence for their veracity. Ghosts fall into this category. There is a right answer, they don't exist, because they can't exist. Because...laws of physics.

..........is your viewpoint on it.

Whose viewpoint were you expecting me to give?

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Wednesday 14th October 15:04

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

There is no right or wrong answer on this. The simple truth is we don't know 100% if they exist or not.

We do not know 100% that the Earth isn't only 6000 years old, and many young Earth creationists claim. It could be that God has planted a whole load of false clues to make it appear older, as a test of faith.

However, I'm not sure saying "we do not know 100%" advances any argument very far.

Some things are so vanishingly unlikely that they can be dismissed, and categorised as the wrong answer, in the complete lack of any evidence for their veracity. Ghosts fall into this category. There is a right answer, they don't exist, because they can't exist. Because...laws of physics.

..........is your viewpoint on it.

Whose viewpoint were you expecting me to give?

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Wednesday 14th October 15:04

I'm just saying that you have your view and others may differ, there is no right or wrong answer on this as we cannot say for certain if ghosts exist or not.

[CS Garth]

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

I'm just saying that you have your view and others may differ, there is no right or wrong answer on this as we cannot say for certain if ghosts exist or not.

No, but objectively examining the evidence it overwhelming suggests that they can’t and don’t

[smn159]

CS Garth said:

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

I'm just saying that you have your view and others may differ, there is no right or wrong answer on this as we cannot say for certain if ghosts exist or not.

No, but objectively examining the evidence it overwhelming suggests that they can’t and don’t

Unless you apply magical thinking and superstition of course, in which case anything goes.

[Ayahuasca]

CS Garth said:

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

I'm just saying that you have your view and others may differ, there is no right or wrong answer on this as we cannot say for certain if ghosts exist or not.

No, but objectively examining the evidence it overwhelming suggests that they can’t and don’t

Does America exist? Before 1492 objectively examining the evidence overwhelmingly suggested that it can’t and doesn’t.

[Sticks.]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Sticks. said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Or is just mistaken, or hasn't seen the full picture and has missed the logical explanation, or lots of other rational stuff. I'm sure lying and bonkers figure in there too, but not exclusively, as you seem to think.

Ok, yes, missing some reasonable explanation as well. But given the numbers, still highly improbable.

But as I said upthread, not half as improbable as every ghost knowing the location of every CCTV camera in the world, and managing to avoid them.

As I said, it comes down to definitions. Your definition includes whatever it is being visible to cctv and because it isn't it doesn't exist.

[LookAtMyCat]

Billions of cameras.

Still no proof of ghosts.

Surely that's that?

[paulguitar]

I've asked for the OP's CCTV footage, but not heard back.

[paulguitar]

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

we cannot say for certain if ghosts exist or not.

I had someone on the god thread say I couldn't prove that heaven and hell don't exist. Of course, I can't, and I don't need to. We need evidence first.