Ghosts

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Esceptico

3,906 posts

73 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Ghosts fall into the seemingly never ending list of things that people believe on the basis of the flimsiest evidence. All based on personal testimony, which is the most unreliable “evidence” available.

Ghosts make no sense at all. If you can see or feel a ghost then it must be able to interact with matter...yet then what are they made of? Of course sometimes they are wholly insubstantial (float through walls) and other times they can interact with matter (poltergeists).

Give me ten pints of beer and my brain stops functioning but apparently you can get rid of my brain (and body) entirely and I can still function as an entity?

If they really existed we would have proper evidence. I mean, we have proved the existence of quarks and the Higgs Boson and proved that gravitational waves exist yet we have no scientific evidence for a phenomena that supposedly has existed since time immemorial and you can read about every week in the Sun et al.

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

211 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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bigpriest said:
Don't see many cow ghosts walking around abatttoirs.
Would they say boo, or moo?



fatboy b

8,955 posts

180 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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I’m not a believer in ghosts. I’ve experienced a few ‘events’ in life though. Most recent was a few weeks ago. We moved into the current house 15 years ago. The owner left various benches and cabinets on the garage for storage. We used them. Then a few weeks ago I decided to put garage flooring down meaning everything would have to come out.

We have a kitchen door that exits into the garage. The garage surroundings are an old mechanics garage to the rear with no activity, a bungalow to the side and our parking area to the front. In other words no one within a good 100’ of it.

On clearing the garage we found an old metal dogs bowl tucked behind a bench. With no use for it, it was put in the bin. The owners we bought from had dogs. Flooring put down and all the stuff we took out went back in - bar the dogs bowl.

That night while cooking there was a disturbance in then garage. We put it down to stuff being chucked back. A quick look saw nothing out of place. Then 1/2 hour later there was a dog whimpering in close proximity coming from the garage. Of course, nothing there. Mrs got a bit spooked and retrieved the bowl from the bin and replaced it. Nothing since. That’s all.

NoVetec

9,964 posts

137 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Shuvi McTupya said:
bigpriest said:
Don't see many cow ghosts walking around abatttoirs.
Would they say boo, or moo?
Roastbusters.

skip_1

3,356 posts

154 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
8Ace said:
I don't get why it's just the recent ones we see - Victorian Spinsters, knights etc. If ghosts are a possibility there should be millions of them around, including ones frm the Bronze age / Black Death / Cro Magnon times
The population was very much smaller way back when. Logical that there are more ‘modern’ apparitions than older ones.
Tales of Roman ghosts seem quiet common.

TwigtheWonderkid

35,181 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Roofless Toothless said:
But my point is that the vehemence of the non believers was so strong that it lead them to simply deny any other argument or 'evidence' that contradicted them, and ruined the thread.
But there is no evidence. That's the problem. Anecdotes aren't evidence. The OP claims to have footage, but the footage has never made the news, despite the fact that proof of ghosts, or any supernatural event, would be the biggest news story in human history. Might even get Dominic Cummings off the front page.

For years we've been regaled with stories of moving furniture, flying objects, babies crawling on the ceiling, and all sorts. Now we have tens of millions of CCTV cameras across the world, in homes, offices and shops and......not a sausage.

Most people who think they've seen a ghost will say "I'm, a believer, I've seen one". If I saw a ghost, my first thought would be have I got a brain tumor/ some other illness causing hallucinations/carbon monoxide poisoning/ a prankster close by putting drugs in my food etc etc. That's because there's actual evidence of brain tumors, pranksters etc. existing.

A good ghost story is fine, but let's not give up on critical thinking.

bigpriest

581 posts

94 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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NoVetec said:
Shuvi McTupya said:
bigpriest said:
Don't see many cow ghosts walking around abatttoirs.
Would they say boo, or moo?
Roastbusters.
I read that in a Scooby Doo voice.

They would make a nice Ghoulash

Big Rig

8,341 posts

151 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Whenever you hear a ghost story, most the time it’ll start with ‘I was in this really old house’ why are only old houses haunted?
It’s never, ‘I was in this new build, saw a ghost, he was wearing air max 1’s and a Hugo Boss T-Shirt. st myself, never going there again.

conkerman

2,319 posts

99 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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paulguitar said:
Roofless Toothless said:
conkerman said:
I'm one in the 'does not exist' category.

Humans are just crap observers. And considering the number of cameras everywhere in todays society, there is still no verifiable evidence.

I have worked at a few sites that are supposed to be haunted, but nothing.

I think the desire for this to be real is so strong that 'I want to believe' becomes, 'It must be, because I believe it.'

There is so much amazing real stuff in the world, why invent new intangibles?
Yet the very first story on here describes photographic evidence.

I also remember the previous thread on here about ghosts, and how it was spoiled by vituperative posts by non believers, and how they would refuse to give any credence at all to the testimony of others.
I'd like to see the OP's CCTV.
Not exactly verifiable is it though? Like a manifestation at the olympics or something.

A person in a pub after hours fell off a stool. The only spirit I can think of is whisky.

I take the view that if you make a claim, back it up. Otherwise my mate got blown by the ghost of Marylin Monroe.

As others have said, you would be loaded if you have some verifiable proof. Even with that incentive, nothing.



r159

1,163 posts

38 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Racing rabbit said:
Yep, seen one.
Used to live in Buckingham, fairly new houses. I was round at a neighbours one evening, they were smoking in the kitchen, I was standing by the door in to the living room.

Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a young girl walk down the stairs into the living room. Thought nothing of it as they had a young daughter, looked further round the corner and noboby was thereconfused

Neighbours then said about lights being switched on while they were at work, neighbours hearing someone running up and down the stairs.

Can't explain it, no chance of lights swinging across room due to were house was etc. They'd never said anything so had no preconception of a ghost
Wasn’t the Badgers estate was it?

TwigtheWonderkid

35,181 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th May 2020
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Big Rig said:
Whenever you hear a ghost story, most the time it’ll start with ‘I was in this really old house’ why are only old houses haunted?
It’s never, ‘I was in this new build, saw a ghost, he was wearing air max 1’s and a Hugo Boss T-Shirt. st myself, never going there again.
And why are they so shy, usually only appearing to people when they are alone. Not many ghosts seem to turn up in the middle of Asda on a Tuesday afternoon, and are seen by 35 people. Millions of people claim to have seen ghosts, so there are plenty of them about. But not one has appeared at a big public event?

We've had awful tragedies with multiple horrific deaths at football matches at Hillsborough, Valley Parade and Ibrox over the last 50 years. Yet no ghosts have ever appeared in front of the fans at subsequent matches.

cherie171

335 posts

81 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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I read a theory somewhere to 'explain' ghosts. In thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transferred or changed, and the same concept was applied to ghosts. The ghosts that some see, were likened to a buildup of static, and concentrated on where the person lived (not where they died) which is why there are reports of ghosts repeating the same actions they would have performed in life. They also used it to explain why we don't see really old ghosts: that the 'static' has dissipated over the years - changed to be visuals and sounds.

I guess it makes as much sense as any other theory for something that you can not prove or disprove the existence of. There is much in our world that we cannot explain, so I will keep an open mind until someone finds solid tangible proof once way or another.

Noesph

966 posts

113 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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pip t said:
It is an interesting one. I'd put myself in the category of 'open minded sceptic.'

Never had any experiences of anything supernatural myself, and nobody I know has (That they've ever mentioned anyway).

One possible explanation for some sightings at the 'shadowy figure' and feelings of unease end of the scale, is infra-sound. Low frequency sound that you can't hear, but can affect your vision (causing greyish shadows in your peripheral vision), and can generate an adrenaline response giving you that 'uneasy' feeling. That in turn can make you very aware of things that normally wouldn't register (Was that sound a creaking floorboard etc). This clearly doesn't explain doors flying open, lights switching themselves on and off etc.

There's an interesting documentary on YouTube about the prevalence of 'ghostly' sightings on the underground in London. The tube, incidentally, is a hotbed for the aforementioned infra-sound....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bf_bxfE5gw
Interesting stuff.

A few years ago I driving back home late at night down a country road, it was around midnight I guess. There was no one else on it. I seemed to drive into a patch were it got darker than normal (like all the stars and moon disappeared). Then it got misty and I felt really cold, I turned the heater up to max and I still felt cold. I felt really uneasy and I hoped the car wouldn't die (I starting talking to the car, don't let me down etc). I was starting to worry I see something in the road. After 2 or 3 minutes or so the mist and sky cleared and the temperature when back to normal in like 5 seconds, it was nearly like a switch. It really unnerved me at the time, it was very weird.

I don't believe in ghosts and I tried to rationalise it, (i.e something went wrong inside my brain for a minute or two) but there was that real uneasy unnerving feeling.


Edited by Noesph on Thursday 28th May 00:24

quigonjay

633 posts

185 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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I once saw the ghost of Gloria Gaynor, at first I was afraid, then I was petrified

Robbo 27

2,790 posts

63 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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skip_1 said:
Tales of Roman ghosts seem quiet common.
There are reports of ghosts of Roman soldiers in York, mamy marching in line but only seen from the knees up presumably they are walking on the original road level.

lord trumpton

5,824 posts

90 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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Racing rabbit said:
Yep, seen one.
Used to live in Buckingham, fairly new houses. I was round at a neighbours one evening, they were smoking in the kitchen,
One for the council thread?


Triumph Man

7,182 posts

132 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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bigpriest said:
robsa said:
8Ace said:
I don't get why it's just the recent ones we see - Victorian Spinsters, knights etc. If ghosts are a possibility there should be millions of them around, including ones frm the Bronze age / Black Death / Cro Magnon times
In the 1970’s the Guinness Book of Records had a lot of entries it has since taken out; one of them was ‘oldest recorded ghost’ which, IIRC, was the ghost of a Roman Centurion. I *think* it was in York or somewhere like that.

I’d love ghosts to exist, but let’s face it, they really don’t do they?
Good point about the history - surely we should see ghosts from the beginning of time? Plus ghosts of every living creature that has ever been alive. Don't see many cow ghosts walking around abatttoirs.
Yes but, from the movies and TV I’ve seen, ghosts are generally those spirits with “unfinished business” - how much unfinished business is a sodding cow likely to have?

Taylor James

3,111 posts

25 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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Technology has done for UFOs, ghosts and poltergeists.

For some reason it hasn't yet got rid of religion but I live in hope.

TwigtheWonderkid

35,181 posts

114 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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cherie171 said:
I read a theory somewhere to 'explain' ghosts. In thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transferred or changed, and the same concept was applied to ghosts. The ghosts that some see, were likened to a buildup of static, and concentrated on where the person lived (not where they died) which is why there are reports of ghosts repeating the same actions they would have performed in life. They also used it to explain why we don't see really old ghosts: that the 'static' has dissipated over the years - changed to be visuals and sounds.

I guess it makes as much sense as any other theory
I'm not sure a physicist would agree with that last line.

TwigtheWonderkid

35,181 posts

114 months

Thursday 28th May 2020
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Taylor James said:
Technology has done for UFOs,
UFOs exist, there's no argument about that. Unfortunately, some people hear UFOs and assume that means alien spaceships.