Ghosts

[eharding]

BT Summers said:

Robbo 27 said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

This is typical of the worst of posts on PH, what they do not understand they deny its existence, I see it time and time again.

I have been in the room in question, indeniably cold despite a large and very hot radiator, modern double glazed windows, good carpet. The only cold room in the house.

People can make their own mind up.

My parents had a similar experience. One room was icy cold whatever heat was applied. She asked the local vicar to call in, he prayed in the room and said the Lords Prayer.

My mother said that she could feel that the room became warm very quickly after that.

Could she hear an eerie hissing sound in the background as the Vicar recited the Pater Noster?

That's the sound of the distressed souls finding release as a result of the Vicar's intervention, and moving up to a better part of the ethereal plane.

Or it could have been that the Vicar was bleeding the radiator, as Basic Plumbing Skills for Exorcists has been part of the C of E ordination course for years.

[BT Summers]

eharding said:

BT Summers said:

Robbo 27 said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

This is typical of the worst of posts on PH, what they do not understand they deny its existence, I see it time and time again.

I have been in the room in question, indeniably cold despite a large and very hot radiator, modern double glazed windows, good carpet. The only cold room in the house.

People can make their own mind up.

My parents had a similar experience. One room was icy cold whatever heat was applied. She asked the local vicar to call in, he prayed in the room and said the Lords Prayer.

My mother said that she could feel that the room became warm very quickly after that.

Could she hear an eerie hissing sound in the background as the Vicar recited the Pater Noster?

That's the sound of the distressed souls finding release as a result of the Vicar's intervention, and moving up to a better part of the ethereal plane.

Or it could have been that the Vicar was bleeding the radiator, as Basic Plumbing Skills for Exorcists has been part of the C of E ordination course for years.

I don't know, but I would doubt it.

What I do know is that people should stfu if they don't know what they are talking about.

[Robbo 27]

BT Summers said:

eharding said:

BT Summers said:

Robbo 27 said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

This is typical of the worst of posts on PH, what they do not understand they deny its existence, I see it time and time again.

I have been in the room in question, indeniably cold despite a large and very hot radiator, modern double glazed windows, good carpet. The only cold room in the house.

People can make their own mind up.

My parents had a similar experience. One room was icy cold whatever heat was applied. She asked the local vicar to call in, he prayed in the room and said the Lords Prayer.

My mother said that she could feel that the room became warm very quickly after that.

Could she hear an eerie hissing sound in the background as the Vicar recited the Pater Noster?

That's the sound of the distressed souls finding release as a result of the Vicar's intervention, and moving up to a better part of the ethereal plane.

Or it could have been that the Vicar was bleeding the radiator, as Basic Plumbing Skills for Exorcists has been part of the C of E ordination course for years.

I don't know, but I would doubt it.

What I do know is that people should stfu if they don't know what they are talking about.

Ignore the idiots BT, ignore them all.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Robbo 27 said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

This is typical of the worst of posts on PH, what they do not understand they deny its existence, I see it time and time again.

I have been in the room in question, indeniably cold despite a large and very hot radiator, modern double glazed windows, good carpet. The only cold room in the house.

People can make their own mind up.

Well I've made up my mind...I'm with paulguitar.

[paulguitar]

Robbo 27 said:

This is typical of the worst of posts on PH, what they do not understand they deny its existence, I see it time and time again.

Utterly, utterly illogical nonsense. Your view that if a room seems warm it must be therefore due to invisible spirits who can be dismissed by a bloke in a frock is, to put it mildly, eccentric.

Robbo 27 said:

People can make their own mind up.

They can indeed, and most will adopt a little more common sense. One hopes.

[eharding]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Robbo 27 said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

This is typical of the worst of posts on PH, what they do not understand they deny its existence, I see it time and time again.

I have been in the room in question, indeniably cold despite a large and very hot radiator, modern double glazed windows, good carpet. The only cold room in the house.

People can make their own mind up.

Well I've made up my mind...I'm with paulguitar.

When it comes to ghosts, there are broadly three types of people. Firstly, the rational folk who understand it to be total bunkum. Secondly, the soft-minded believers who can also tend to exhibit attention-seeking / drama-queen tendencies. Thirdly, those who cynically exploit the second group, feeding and encouraging their fantasies for some weird personal benefit.

Oddly enough, it's generally the third group who take the most umbrage when the bunkum is called out.

[djohnson]

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

[paulguitar]

djohnson said:

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

So not naughty invisible spirits then? Disappointing.

[eharding]

djohnson said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

Wouldn't having the Vicar round for a cup of tea and spot of praying been cheaper than retrofitting the insulation?

[smn159]

paulguitar said:

djohnson said:

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

So not naughty invisible spirits then? Disappointing.

I reckon that the builders did the job properly and that evil spirits later removed the insulation.

That is surely the most plausible explanation for this thread

[deckster]

eharding said:

djohnson said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

Wouldn't having the Vicar round for a cup of tea and spot of praying been cheaper than retrofitting the insulation?

Unlikely. Have you seen the rate that men of the cloth get through chocolate hobnobs?

[eharding]

smn159 said:

paulguitar said:

djohnson said:

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

So not naughty invisible spirits then? Disappointing.

I reckon that the builders did the job properly and that evil spirits later removed the insulation.

That is surely the most plausible explanation for this thread

You're distinguishing between "builders" and "evil spirits" there.

[eharding]

deckster said:

eharding said:

djohnson said:

paulguitar said:

Robbo 27 said:

A friend had house which was built near to the jail in Knutsford, closed down in the 1930s. He sold the house because he never felt comfortable in it and there was one room that was always icy cold, even though the radiator was really hot and no draughts. It was so bad he didn't use it. Sold the house a year ago, New owners wrote to him and said that a parcel had arrived at the house, would he pick it up. He went round and they asked him about the cold living room, he lied basically.

They had brought in a vicar who did his stuff and said that he felt a spirit of someone. After that the room was fine.

Again, there will be a logical explanation here, and it won't be a clergyman spreading some special water around.

We had an unusually cold room which had one corner which was particularly cold. When we had building work done it transpired that the original builders had put way too little insulation in the ceiling and none at all in the cold corner. Putting the proper insulation in cured it.

Wouldn't having the Vicar round for a cup of tea and spot of praying been cheaper than retrofitting the insulation?

Unlikely. Have you seen the rate that men of the cloth get through chocolate hobnobs?

When commissioning the clergy for exorcism work, it's always vitally important to make clear up front that the deal is for at most two cups of tea, and that biscuits will not be provided. People have been bankrupted by overlooking this simple precaution. As for cake, well you may as well just take a wheelbarrow full of £20 notes into the garden and set fire to it if you introduce cake into the situation.

[Leftyechochamber]

eharding said:

When it comes to ghosts, there are broadly three types of people. Firstly, the rational folk who understand it to be total bunkum. Secondly, the soft-minded believers who can also tend to exhibit attention-seeking / drama-queen tendencies. Thirdly, those who cynically exploit the second group, feeding and encouraging their fantasies for some weird personal benefit.

Oddly enough, it's generally the third group who take the most umbrage when the bunkum is called out.

When it comes to threads, there are plenty of others to enjoy?

[eharding]

Leftyechochamber said:

eharding said:

When it comes to ghosts, there are broadly three types of people. Firstly, the rational folk who understand it to be total bunkum. Secondly, the soft-minded believers who can also tend to exhibit attention-seeking / drama-queen tendencies. Thirdly, those who cynically exploit the second group, feeding and encouraging their fantasies for some weird personal benefit.

Oddly enough, it's generally the third group who take the most umbrage when the bunkum is called out.

When it comes to threads, there are plenty of others to enjoy?

You'd prefer it became a ghostly echo chamber?

[liner33]

Fwiw the CofE don’t offer exorcisms you need a Catholic priest for that and even then not all offer it . We had a local Monk do ours

[eharding]

liner33 said:

Fwiw the CofE don’t offer exorcisms you need a Catholic priest for that and even then not all offer it . We had a local Monk do ours

It seems the CofE Deliverance Ministry will do one for you provided the Bishop signs off on it - it's very telling that they work closely with psychologists and other mental health professionals when dealing with people seeking their services.

[conkerman]

I'd be happy to see verifiable evidence of ANY supernatural phenomenon.

But here we are in 2021, and we don't have any. There would be fame, fortune and massive success to anyone who did.

I also need to add, the plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Otherwise I'll happily put it all down to how easy we are to fool and how our imaginations can run rampant.

[Getragdogleg]

smn159 said:

Getragdogleg said:

Our brand new transit van conked out at exactly 666 miles at a crossroads where they used to hang witches.

As we rolled to a stop (right next to the exact place the big post/gallows or whatever used to be) a grandfather clock we had in the back managed to fall over despite being well tied in with proper furniture ties.

The glass in the clock hood broke. We tied the clock back in and the van started up and we drove off. Never had another bit of trouble with the van or stuff randomly untying itself since.

So the witches evil presence, constantly on the lookout for the mark of the beast, was able to detect that your van was approaching 666 miles and all that they did was stop the engine and untie your clock?

You were very lucky that they didn't fly after you on their broomsticks, impale you with a lighting rod or slice your head off with a sheet of glass or something.

Sounds like a narrow escape to me and thanks for the heads up. I shall from now on avoid gallows, Indian burial grounds and the like if there is a 6 on my trip recorder, just in case.

Its a true tale, its also really odd witch is why I remembered it !

[TwigtheWonderkid]

eharding said:

When it comes to ghosts, there are broadly three types of people. Firstly, the rational folk who understand it to be total bunkum. Secondly, the soft-minded believers who can also tend to exhibit attention-seeking / drama-queen tendencies. Thirdly, those who cynically exploit the second group, feeding and encouraging their fantasies for some weird personal benefit.

Oddly enough, it's generally the third group who take the most umbrage when the bunkum is called out.

One of the other things you'll see on threads about ghosts are posts saying "if you'd seen what I saw, you'd believe". The truth is often "if you believed, you'd see what I saw".

Ghosts have a habit of appearing for people who are receptive to the idea of ghosts.