Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
Discussion
P-Jay said:
Doofus said:
Can vegans drive cars, given petrol and diesel comes from oil, which contains dead animals?
Yes, in theory Vegans can even eat meat, IF the animal lead a life free of 'persecution' (aka farming) and died of natural causes. I mean that's one stringy bit of chicken, but still. So, Oil, which contains what's left of plankton from millions of years ago, is vegan because they died naturally. I don't know if many would though, short of a plane crash in the mountain type situation.
Perhaps another question though, can driving be truly vegan, if by doing it you're killing insects by hitting them.
gazzarose said:
The stroboscopic effect is really cool. It's how a timing light works, it visually freezes the crank pulley at a specific time relative to the spark.
Like the distributor, points and rotor arm, the timing strobe light is consigned to the automotive dustbin of doom, on modern cars the ECU management system does all that hokum, thank god.
No more cries of "the bugger won't start, moisture in the distributor cap, again ".
k up about being vegans.Ayahuasca said:
Why is the Indian variant now called the Delta Variant That Was First Identified in India?
Seems a waste of words.
Because Kent and India were getting pissed-off. Seems a waste of words.
And if Kent and India team-up to enact revenge on the rest of the world, then we've all got a big problem. Have you seen the Medway towns? Yikes. Would NOT want to fight that lot.
Ayahuasca said:
Why is the Indian variant now called the Delta Variant That Was First Identified in India?
Seems a waste of words.
Because "Indian variant" is what the media have been calling it, whereas the World Health Organisation uses Greek letters for variants. I guess someone has said "Guys, can we be a bit less racist and use the WHO designation instead?"Seems a waste of words.
SpeckledJim said:
Because Kent and India were getting pissed-off.
And that too. Clockwork Cupcake said:
Ayahuasca said:
Why is the Indian variant now called the Delta Variant That Was First Identified in India?
Seems a waste of words.
Because "Indian variant" is what the media have been calling it, whereas the World Health Organisation uses Greek letters for variants. I guess someone has said "Guys, can we be a bit less racist and use the WHO designation instead?"Seems a waste of words.
AstonZagato said:
However, given that abuse has risen towards those of Chinese descent since the start of the pandemic, anything that stops an increase in racial tensions is a good thing.
I agree. 
Edited to add...
AstonZagato said:
I believe that the WHO has only just adopted the Greek letters (though happy to be corrected). Prior to that they were using a numbering system (the Delta/Indian variant was B.1.617.2).
Yes, a quick google confirms you are correct. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/switches-greek-namin...
'"No country should be stigmatized for detecting and reporting variants," Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's COVID-19 technical lead, wrote on Twitter.'
The full scientific names remain in parallel, but there has clearly been a conscious decision to adopt a media-friendly label that the layperson can digest without having to resort to country names.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Monday 14th June 15:26
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I agree.
no one seemed to mind banding around the UK variant all last year, from other countries. Seems to me very much double standards, but a bit like China coming out of this whole thing smelling of roses. The locale of the variant is important in studying the transmission patterns, because surely this is the data that should be used to make political decisions?
The Spruce Goose said:
The locale of the variant is important in studying the transmission patterns, because surely this is the data that should be used to make political decisions?
And that locale can easily be looked up by referencing the WHO's code name - the information has not been lost by giving it a less emotive designation. I think it's a positive step forward.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The Spruce Goose said:
The locale of the variant is important in studying the transmission patterns, because surely this is the data that should be used to make political decisions?
And that locale can easily be looked up by referencing the WHO's code name - the information has not been lost by giving it a less emotive designation. I think it's a positive step forward.
Getting rid of a geographic name that means nothing significant to sensible people, but which riles idiots and causes problems for blameless normal people is a sensible thing to do.
Now, about those poor bored brewers at the Corona company...
Countries with a big time zone difference, USA, Australia and Russia etc, do these still have national news bulletins on at for example 6pm and 10pm all over the country?
So in the east it’s on a bit later in the day than the west if the take the centre at 6pm or do the just put it on at 6pm in the respective time zones and it’s pre recorded for that.
Or in big countries do they just have local news for that region rather than a national output?
As what is happening in Perth has very little resemblance to anyone in Brisbane so there isn’t much national news.
So in the east it’s on a bit later in the day than the west if the take the centre at 6pm or do the just put it on at 6pm in the respective time zones and it’s pre recorded for that.
Or in big countries do they just have local news for that region rather than a national output?
As what is happening in Perth has very little resemblance to anyone in Brisbane so there isn’t much national news.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
And that locale can easily be looked up by referencing the WHO's code name - the information has not been lost by giving it a less emotive designation.
I think it's a positive step forward.
i think it is trying to whitewash the real issues.. I also think the lineage of the strain should be referenced, it means people can make judgements for themselves instead of relying of incompetent politicians with ulterior motives to their actions.I think it's a positive step forward.
The Spruce Goose said:
i think it is trying to whitewash the real issues.. I also think the lineage of the strain should be referenced, it means people can make judgements for themselves instead of relying of incompetent politicians with ulterior motives to their actions.
How are you prevented from doing that by people referring it to "Delta" rather than "Indian". The information is still there. You can go to the WHO's website to find out everything you need to know. Or even Wikipedia for that matter. Or just google for "covid delta variant".
I think it's you that has the ulterior motives, mate.
The Spruce Goose said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
And that locale can easily be looked up by referencing the WHO's code name - the information has not been lost by giving it a less emotive designation.
I think it's a positive step forward.
i think it is trying to whitewash the real issues.. I also think the lineage of the strain should be referenced, it means people can make judgements for themselves instead of relying of incompetent politicians with ulterior motives to their actions.I think it's a positive step forward.
The next significant variant might surface in your postman for all we know, but calling it the Postman Variant isn't going to be helpful, and won't be appreciated by all the 'innocent' postmen who'll suffer the consequences.
Sorry if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, but I just don't know what useful information you can get from 'the Indian variant'? Brazil has it's own named variant, but it's not the fact that it's been named that means we're not keen to send any un-vaccinated grannies there. The infection data tells the story.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
How are you prevented from doing that by people referring it to "Delta" rather than "Indian". The information is still there.
When there is the Echo strain in Brazil, and it is announced yet fights from Brazil carry on, no reference to Brazil at all, it is absolutely moronic, joe public don't understand strains, then do understand there has been a major outbreak somewhere better avoid it, as clearly the Gov always leaves it too late anyway. The only people i've heard call it kung flu was Trump and Boris, two idiots of the greatest order, everyone else i know thinks the location of the outbreak helps them 1 to visualise it, and 2 plan their own life around it..
The Spruce Goose said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
And that locale can easily be looked up by referencing the WHO's code name - the information has not been lost by giving it a less emotive designation.
I think it's a positive step forward.
i think it is trying to whitewash the real issues.. I also think the lineage of the strain should be referenced, it means people can make judgements for themselves instead of relying of incompetent politicians with ulterior motives to their actions.I think it's a positive step forward.
What judgement are you making that politicians can interfere with by referring to a variant with a letter as opposed to the name of the country which discovered it?
Does this interference apply to H1N1, H3N2 and Hepatitus C too?
The Spruce Goose said:
When there is the Echo strain in Brazil, and it is announced yet fights from Brazil carry on, no reference to Brazil at all, it is absolutely moronic, joe public don't understand strains, then do understand there has been a major outbreak somewhere better avoid it, as clearly the Gov always leaves it too late anyway.
Do you honestly think that avoiding going to India, and/or avoiding people of Indian descent, is going to prevent you from getting the Delta variant in the UK just because the first reported case was in India?It's precisely because of this stupid attitude that we need to use Greek letters rather than the country name.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
It's precisely because of this stupid attitude that we need to use Greek letters rather than the country name.
How intelligent, everyone is stupid if they don't believe the same as you..The WHO has constantly changed it's viewpoints based on public opinion, really not something it should be doing.
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