Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]

[SpeckledJim]

The Spruce Goose said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

It's precisely because of this stupid attitude that we need to use Greek letters rather than the country name.

How intelligent, everyone is stupid if they don't believe the same as you..

The WHO has constantly changed it's viewpoints based on public opinion, really not something it should be doing.

But if you're basing covid decisions on the names of variants, what do you do about areas with huge infection rates that don't have specific names?

The mutations are random. The next huge variant might have started yesterday in the next street to yours, but it doesn't have a name yet, so you won't be avoiding the Acacia Avenuers.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

The Spruce Goose said:

How intelligent, everyone is stupid if they don't believe the same as you..

I said that it is a stupid attitude, for the reasons I clearly laid out. You are welcome to counter my arguments and refute them.

But, hey, If you want to start in with the personal insults then bring it on. You're the one who is going to end up with egg on their face, not me.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Monday 14th June 17:01

[Ayahuasca]

Why is ‘the variant that was first identified in India’ less offensive than ‘the Indian variant’?

[Sway]

Ayahuasca said:

Why is ‘the variant that was first identified in India’ less offensive than ‘the Indian variant’?

Unfortunately, people are stupid, and some see the latter as an indicator they should be blamed for it.

[StevieBee]

Sway said:

Ayahuasca said:

Why is ‘the variant that was first identified in India’ less offensive than ‘the Indian variant’?

Unfortunately, people are stupid, and some see the latter as an indicator they should be blamed for it.

To emphasise the point, in India, the Indian variant is known as the English variant.

[coppernorks]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I said that it is a stupid attitude, for the reasons I clearly laid out. You are welcome to counter my arguments and refute them.

But, hey, If you want to start in with the personal insults then bring it on. You're the one who is going to end up with egg on their face, not me.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Monday 14th June 17:01

Your defence of the WHO is valiant but I don't think you really believe the reason for reallocating
the variant name has anything to with science but more to do with appeasing our Leftie metropolitan types
and not pissing off the mealy mouthed sub-continent.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

coppernorks said:

Your defence of the WHO is valiant but I don't think you really believe the reason for reallocating
the variant name has anything to with science but more to do with appeasing our Leftie metropolitan types
and not pissing off the mealy mouthed sub-continent.

I think that it has everything to do with science, and *not* changing it would be more to do with appeasing the Right wing Gammon types.

[Ayahuasca]

I fancy a cup of the tea that was first identified in Yorkshire and a pasty that was first identified in Cornwall, with a dash of the sauce that was first identified in Worcestershire. Can anyone see how barking that all sounds?

[nonsequitur]

Ayahuasca said:

I fancy a cup of the tea that was first identified in Yorkshire and a pasty that was first identified in Cornwall, with a dash of the sauce that was first identified in Worcestershire. Can anyone see how barking that all sounds?

Isle of Dogs.

[glazbagun]

Ayahuasca said:

I fancy a cup of the tea that was first identified in Yorkshire and a pasty that was first identified in Cornwall, with a dash of the sauce that was first identified in Worcestershire. Can anyone see how barking that all sounds?

As I said above, we don't use geographic identifiers for most viral variants and the ones we did (Spansh Flu springs to mind) are colloquial and often inaccurate anyway. There's no logical benefit that I can see to naming a variant after the place it was discovered.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Ayahuasca said:

I fancy a cup of the tea that was first identified in Yorkshire and a pasty that was first identified in Cornwall, with a dash of the sauce that was first identified in Worcestershire.

Go on, make me a cup of PG Tips. That well know area of the British Isles. And grab me a Pork Pie too.

Ayahuasca said:

Can anyone see how barking that all sounds?

You sound utterly barking. Hope that helps.

Nobody has managed to explain why it is important to know that the Delta variant was first seen in India though. I mean other than as a good excuse to avoid brown people. Obviously.

[gazzarose]

Promised Land said:

Countries with a big time zone difference, USA, Australia and Russia etc, do these still have national news bulletins on at for example 6pm and 10pm all over the country?

So in the east it’s on a bit later in the day than the west if the take the centre at 6pm or do the just put it on at 6pm in the respective time zones and it’s pre recorded for that.

Or in big countries do they just have local news for that region rather than a national output?

As what is happening in Perth has very little resemblance to anyone in Brisbane so there isn’t much national news.

I can't remember the news specifically from when we went to Oz 10 years ago, other than it sort of went National and then local, but I don't know if it was time shifted. I do though remember the weather on the Ozzy version of GMTV. Bear in mind we went in our summer, so middle of winter there in a rainy Melbourne. (We've got family there and my mother was a teacher at the time, so if we wanted 3 weeks away summer hols was the only choice!)

"Today's weather, Melbourne 10 degrees light rain, Sydney 16 degrees broken cloud, Gold coast 23 degrees sunny, Darwin 45 degrees"

It was really wierd, it was like sitting down with you cornflakes watching Micheal Fish telling you it would piss down in Cardiff, but it's ok it's lovely in Tenerife!

[Trackdayer]

coppernorks said:

Your defence of the WHO is valiant but I don't think you really believe the reason for reallocating
the variant name has anything to with science but more to do with appeasing our Leftie metropolitan types
and not pissing off the mealy mouthed sub-continent.

Anyone outside of the London area can see this. Common sense > political correctness.

[C2Red]

nonsequitur said:

CzechItOut said:

If I collapsed in the street, how long would paramedics perform CPR on me before I was pronounced dead?

You should continue CPR until an ambulance or a defibrillator arrives.

defribillators; only correct the irregular heart beat, don’t think they jump start the heart; least wise not the ones I know of.

[captain_cynic]

Trackdayer said:

coppernorks said:

Your defence of the WHO is valiant but I don't think you really believe the reason for reallocating
the variant name has anything to with science but more to do with appeasing our Leftie metropolitan types
and not pissing off the mealy mouthed sub-continent.

Anyone outside of the London area can see this. Common sense > political correctness.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense will see that as bks.

Scientifically it was never called "the UK indian vatiant". It is given a numerical designation I.E. B.1723.2 and then a friendly and that can be used in publications, the WHO use the Greek alphabet

You have an issue with this because it doesn't validate your casual racism and there is the reason why the media aren't using it. Calling it the "Indian variant" has lead to a rise in violence against Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese, even Thais and Khmers as racists aren't exactly know for their attention to detail (brown skin and funny eyes seem the only criteria).

So anyone can see that changing the name was common sense.

[SpeckledJim]

Ayahuasca said:

Why is ‘the variant that was first identified in India’ less offensive than ‘the Indian variant’?

I think that's a temporary thing, done whilst people get used to the 'Delta' variant name. If they don't remind us, people might think the Delta variant is a new variant, not a new name for an existing variant.

Over time, I think the mention of India will disappear, as people refer to the Delta variant more naturally.

This change also means that if there was a second significant variant originating in India, which is very possible, then creating a name for it will be simple.

[nonsequitur]

C2Red said:

nonsequitur said:

CzechItOut said:

If I collapsed in the street, how long would paramedics perform CPR on me before I was pronounced dead?

You should continue CPR until an ambulance or a defibrillator arrives.

defribillators; only correct the irregular heart beat, don’t think they jump start the heart; least wise not the ones I know of.

Correct. The heart is fibrillating and the defibrillator...
When attaching the machine to the patient it analyses the problem and tells you how to continue. Either 'shock' or carry on with CPR.

[anonymous-user]

captain_cynic said:

Calling it the "Indian variant" has lead to a rise in violence against Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese, even Thais and Khmers as racists aren't exactly know for their attention to detail (brown skin and funny eyes seem the only criteria).

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You are just making it up to suit your argument.

Back to the Indian variant, it was named after where is originated, yet still took the government 2 weeks to put India on the Red list, which makes no sense. The strains are geo located, tracking viruses based on locations is centuries old, it also helps people to understand it better. You are using the wacist argument yet I've seen little actual evidence of this

[john2443]

nonsequitur said:

C2Red said:

nonsequitur said:

CzechItOut said:

If I collapsed in the street, how long would paramedics perform CPR on me before I was pronounced dead?

You should continue CPR until an ambulance or a defibrillator arrives.

defribillators; only correct the irregular heart beat, don’t think they jump start the heart; least wise not the ones I know of.

Correct. The heart is fibrillating and the defibrillator...
When attaching the machine to the patient it analyses the problem and tells you how to continue. Either 'shock' or carry on with CPR.

...and still no answer to the original question!

I suspect paramedics will keep giving CPR and defib until they get to hospital and doctors have more kit available to work on you and they will make the decision.

[SpeckledJim]

The Spruce Goose said:

captain_cynic said:

Calling it the "Indian variant" has lead to a rise in violence against Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese, even Thais and Khmers as racists aren't exactly know for their attention to detail (brown skin and funny eyes seem the only criteria).

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You are just making it up to suit your argument.

Back to the Indian variant, it was named after where is originated, yet still took the government 2 weeks to put India on the Red list, which makes no sense. The strains are geo located, tracking viruses based on locations is centuries old, it also helps people to understand it better. You are using the wacist argument yet I've seen little actual evidence of this

But you still haven't said what useful information you can glean from people calling it 'the Indian variant' rather than 'Delta'?

How does it affect your actions? I'm not Indian, nor have I been to India, but if I have Covid today, it's probably the Indian variant.