Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]

[Clockwork Cupcake]

SpeckledJim said:

But you still haven't said what useful information you can glean from people calling it 'the Indian variant' rather than 'Delta'?

How does it affect your actions? I'm not Indian, nor have I been to India, but if I have Covid today, it's probably the Indian variant.

Exactly.

[V8mate]

SpeckledJim said:

The Spruce Goose said:

captain_cynic said:

Calling it the "Indian variant" has lead to a rise in violence against Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese, even Thais and Khmers as racists aren't exactly know for their attention to detail (brown skin and funny eyes seem the only criteria).

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You are just making it up to suit your argument.

Back to the Indian variant, it was named after where is originated, yet still took the government 2 weeks to put India on the Red list, which makes no sense. The strains are geo located, tracking viruses based on locations is centuries old, it also helps people to understand it better. You are using the wacist argument yet I've seen little actual evidence of this

But you still haven't said what useful information you can glean from people calling it 'the Indian variant' rather than 'Delta'?

How does it affect your actions? I'm not Indian, nor have I been to India, but if I have Covid today, it's probably the Indian variant.

Why does it need 'useful information'? It has been common usage amongst such diseases to have a notional, source-based, reference point: Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, bird flu, swine flu etc.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

V8mate said:

Why does it need 'useful information'? It has been common usage amongst such diseases to have a notional, source-based, reference point: Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, bird flu, swine flu etc.

Avian flu was so called because you could catch it from birds.
Are you suggesting that Asian flu can be caught from Asian people?

[SpeckledJim]

V8mate said:

SpeckledJim said:

The Spruce Goose said:

captain_cynic said:

Calling it the "Indian variant" has lead to a rise in violence against Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese, even Thais and Khmers as racists aren't exactly know for their attention to detail (brown skin and funny eyes seem the only criteria).

.

You are just making it up to suit your argument.

Back to the Indian variant, it was named after where is originated, yet still took the government 2 weeks to put India on the Red list, which makes no sense. The strains are geo located, tracking viruses based on locations is centuries old, it also helps people to understand it better. You are using the wacist argument yet I've seen little actual evidence of this

But you still haven't said what useful information you can glean from people calling it 'the Indian variant' rather than 'Delta'?

How does it affect your actions? I'm not Indian, nor have I been to India, but if I have Covid today, it's probably the Indian variant.

Why does it need 'useful information'? It has been common usage amongst such diseases to have a notional, source-based, reference point: Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, bird flu, swine flu etc.

If there's no useful aspect to it, and there is an unhelpful aspect (morons abusing blameless people) then that's a nett negative, and yet easily solved.

Naming variants by location (whether it's Kent, Brazil, India, or your street) is of no scientific value, and of cultural harm. We don't need to do it, so we shouldn't.

We didn't need to call COVID-19 'Wuhan Flu' so why need a geographical tag for its variants?

[Ayahuasca]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

V8mate said:

Why does it need 'useful information'? It has been common usage amongst such diseases to have a notional, source-based, reference point: Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, bird flu, swine flu etc.

Avian flu was so called because you could catch it from birds.
Are you suggesting that Asian flu can be caught from Asian people?

Fortuntately everyone has forgotten about Mexican Swine Flu.

Interestingly, the 'Kent' variant is called the 'British' variant in the European / Mexican press, and for the avoidance of doubt comes with a Union Jack.

https://www.marca.com/claro-mx/trending/coronaviru...

Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 15th June 09:51

[nonsequitur]

john2443 said:

nonsequitur said:

C2Red said:

nonsequitur said:

CzechItOut said:

If I collapsed in the street, how long would paramedics perform CPR on me before I was pronounced dead?

You should continue CPR until an ambulance or a defibrillator arrives.

defribillators; only correct the irregular heart beat, don’t think they jump start the heart; least wise not the ones I know of.

Correct. The heart is fibrillating and the defibrillator...
When attaching the machine to the patient it analyses the problem and tells you how to continue. Either 'shock' or carry on with CPR.

...and still no answer to the original question!

I suspect paramedics will keep giving CPR and defib until they get to hospital and doctors have more kit available to work on you and they will make the decision.

Yes.

[Ayahuasca]

Is it legal to paint a car with Black 3.0 or Vantablack paint ?

[SpeckledJim]

Ayahuasca said:

Is it legal to paint a car with Black 3.0 or Vantablack paint ?

I'd certainly think so. I don't think there are any rules about the colour of your car, as long as you're not messing with the legal bits around lighting and visibility.

[Sway]

Ayahuasca said:

Is it legal to paint a car with Black 3.0 or Vantablack paint ?

Yes. Although vantablack would be useless as it'll come off with the air passing over the car!

Black 3.0 is OK, but really not that special. From most angles/lights it actually looks pretty grey and 'dusty'. Still very obviously a car, and very visible. At night, it'll be no different than a regular black car - without lights/reflectors it's essentially invisible without external lighting from a distance.

It's also a 'mundane' acrylic paint - so really not that tough. In fact, if anything it's even less robust than most artist's acrylics.

I'll see if I can dig out the model I painted with it. I recall having to be incredibly careful with handling, as it was rubbing off on my fingers as I painted other details over the top.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Ayahuasca said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

V8mate said:

Why does it need 'useful information'? It has been common usage amongst such diseases to have a notional, source-based, reference point: Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, bird flu, swine flu etc.

Avian flu was so called because you could catch it from birds.
Are you suggesting that Asian flu can be caught from Asian people?

Fortuntately everyone has forgotten about Mexican Swine Flu.

Interestingly, the 'Kent' variant is called the 'British' variant in the European / Mexican press, and for the avoidance of doubt comes with a Union Jack.

https://www.marca.com/claro-mx/trending/coronaviru...

Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 15th June 09:51

Clearly should be called the English disease, except that was already taken for Syphilis

[anonymous-user]

Here's a question why do people make up things to back up arguments like in this very thread.

[P-Jay]

Ayahuasca said:

Is it legal to paint a car with Black 3.0 or Vantablack paint ?

BMW have

https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablac...

It doesn't mention if it's road legal, but they seem to claim it's durable enough to use, just the process is too expensive to make it viable.

[DRFC1879]

I don't want to like that but it looks bloody brilliant. I'd love to see a car painted in that colour IRL.

[Sway]

P-Jay said:

Ayahuasca said:

Is it legal to paint a car with Black 3.0 or Vantablack paint ?

BMW have

https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablac...

It doesn't mention if it's road legal, but they seem to claim it's durable enough to use, just the process is too expensive to make it viable.

They claim the opposite - it's a one off specifically because of the cost and difficulty of making it robust enough.



These are microscopic 'straws' of carbon on end - incredibly, ridiculously fragile. They used a variant which could be sprayed (no doubt using a charge running through the car to align the tubes) instead of being processed at 800 degrees - but it's still the same core material.

As a slight tangent, we had some early professional dealings with Anish Kapoor to use something else he'd paid to control in a completely different context than art, in a way that would give a British company a global advantage and effective monopoly in a given product.

He's a tosser of the absolute highest order. In pretty much every single way you could imagine.

Edited by Sway on Tuesday 15th June 15:43

[generationx]

Sway said:

P-Jay said:

Ayahuasca said:

Is it legal to paint a car with Black 3.0 or Vantablack paint ?

BMW have

https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablac...

It doesn't mention if it's road legal, but they seem to claim it's durable enough to use, just the process is too expensive to make it viable.

They claim the opposite - it's a one off specifically because of the cost and difficulty of making it robust enough.



These are microscopic 'straws' of carbon on end - incredibly, ridiculously fragile. They used a variant which could be sprayed (no doubt using a charge running through the car to align the tubes) instead of being processed at 800 degrees - but it's still the same core material.

As a slight tangent, we had some early professional dealings with Anish Kapoor to use something else he'd paid to control in a completely different context than art, in a way that would give a British company a global advantage and effective monopoly in a given product.

He's a tosser of the absolute highest order. In pretty much every single way you could imagine.

Edited by Sway on Tuesday 15th June 15:43

Weirdly I saw an X6 wrapped in what looked like black velour last weekend which had a similar effect.

But maybe it was just a very very very very very dark blue.

[popeyewhite]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

It's precisely because of this stupid attitude that we need to use Greek letters rather than the country name.

If you don't mind being patronised. It's a tiny, tiny group that actually blame Indians or any Indian connection for the variant that bears the same geographic name. Similarly the outrage that England fans boo at the gesture of taking the knee before a game. So what? Someone scores, they cheer, ref makes a poor decision, they boo. It's normal fan behaviour. No one really thinks all who voice their displeasure are racists... .except those who actually wish to enforce some kind of virtuosity.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

popeyewhite said:

If you don't mind being patronised. It's a tiny, tiny group that actually blame Indians or any Indian connection for the variant that bears the same geographic name. Similarly the outrage that England fans boo at the gesture of taking the knee before a game. So what? Someone scores, they cheer, ref makes a poor decision, they boo. It's normal fan behaviour. No one really thinks all who voice their displeasure are racists... .except those who actually wish to enforce some kind of virtuosity.

I don't disagree with you. However, nobody has been able to give a credible answer as to why "Indian variant" is so vastly superior and more informative than "Delta variant". Especially given that we have the internet and you can easily look up the country of origin of Delta with a simple google search, should the information be useful. Nothing has been lost.

I can totally see that both are superior to "B.1.612.2", for which both are a shorthand. What I can't see is any good reason not to call it "Delta" though. It's a far more scientific and less emotive designation.

Edit:
Additionally, as others have pointed out, what we call the "Kent" variant is called the "British" variant by others. If everyone calls it Alpha then there is less ambiguity. Also, what happens if a second variant comes out of India? Do people want to call that "Indian 2"? "2nd Indian"? Or would simply calling it the next Greek letter along just be easier?

What happens if it turns out that a case of Delta was seen in a different country before the first reported case in India and it didn't in fact originate from India after all? Do we then rename it?

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Tuesday 15th June 16:50

[Hugo a Gogo]

Perhaps the Indians might have already called it the West Bengal variant, or more specifically the Basirhat Subdivision variant, or wherever it may have first been identified. India is a pretty big place

[Einion Yrth]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Or would simply calling it the next Greek letter along just be easier?

I've already, a couple of time on these hallowed pages, seen people suggest that the next VoC would be "echo", so Greek may not have been the best choice.
Of course using the NATO phonetic alphabet would repeat the original problem in 5 VoC's time.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Perhaps the Indians might have already called it the West Bengal variant, or more specifically the Basirhat Subdivision variant, or wherever it may have first been identified. India is a pretty big place

Perhaps, although given that the rest of the world haven't agreed to call 'our' variant the "Kent" does rather suggest there could be some disagreement and confusion.

Far better to defer to the World Health Organisation on naming for variants of a global pandemic, I reckon, now that they have agreed to give us media-friendly easily-remembered names.

Incidentally, I wonder why the media decided to call it the "Kent" variant and not the "British" one? Is it because of a desire to point the finger at Kent rather than the whole country? And isn't that precisely why we shouldn't be using area names?