Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]

[Jordie Barretts sock]

You are just being pedantic. Looking for any argument you can.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

You are just being pedantic. Looking for any argument you can.

Honestly, I'm really not. It was a genuine question.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 28th April 16:49

[Nethybridge]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Why?

Flashing your lights at a light sensor (because it hasn't already picked up your approaching lights, obviously) makes traffic lights change in the dark. Ok.

Even with an alleged headlight ativated system it can't override the safety aspect, the light you're sitting at always will remain at red if the entrance light is still green however much you flash at it.
It's those occasions at a rural location, where no other cars are present
at the other end of the worksite and your light is red, people think flashing
at it will activate the system to green.

I cannot dissuade a colleague of his belief, it's ingrained in his DNA.

[generationx]

bodhi said:

generationx said:

Bastos was a European brand of cigarette. Notable for long, long-term sponsorship of Belgian driver Patrick Snijers:

The same Patrick of that legendary E30 M3 doing the Manx Rally vid?

Oh yes…

[Promised Land]

Nethybridge said:

Even with an alleged headlight ativated system it can't override the safety aspect, the light you're sitting at always will remain at red if the entrance light is still green however much you flash at it.
It's those occasions at a rural location, where no other cars are present
at the other end of the worksite and your light is red, people think flashing
at it will activate the system to green.

I cannot dissuade a colleague of his belief, it's ingrained in his DNA.

Very similar to the placebo button on pedestrian crossings at junctions, the button does nothing at all as the traffic light sequence fir the T or X junction dictates when the crossing will turn to a green man to safely cross.

But still everyone who strolls up presses it thinking it activates the lights, it does not.

The only time they work is on a crossing along a highway where no junction is involved.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Promised Land said:

Very similar to the placebo button on pedestrian crossings at junctions, the button does nothing at all as the traffic light sequence fir the T or X junction dictates when the crossing will turn to a green man to safely cross.

But still everyone who strolls up presses it thinking it activates the lights, it does not.

The only time they work is on a crossing along a highway where no junction is involved.

I've always assumed that the button is to indicate that there there are people wishing to cross, and that when the next crossing time is due the lights will change. The corollary being that if nobody has pressed the button when that time comes then the lights won't bother changing as nobody is waiting to cross.

I think button pushing would be greatly reduced if there were actually a countdown timer displayed, rather than the old-fashioned illuminated "Wait".

[Abbott]

generationx said:

bodhi said:

generationx said:

Bastos was a European brand of cigarette. Notable for long, long-term sponsorship of Belgian driver Patrick Snijers:

The same Patrick of that legendary E30 M3 doing the Manx Rally vid?

Oh yes…

That looks like a big cross-branding opportunity Bastos on the helmet driving in the Webasto Rally

[droopsnoot]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I think button pushing would be greatly reduced if there were actually a countdown timer displayed, rather than the old-fashioned illuminated "Wait".

I'm sure I've seen that on some crossings, perhaps the US or Japan. Or maybe I've seen a countdown timer to show how long the pedestrian has until the light changes against them.

[bigpriest]

droopsnoot said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I think button pushing would be greatly reduced if there were actually a countdown timer displayed, rather than the old-fashioned illuminated "Wait".

I'm sure I've seen that on some crossings, perhaps the US or Japan. Or maybe I've seen a countdown timer to show how long the pedestrian has until the light changes against them.

There are a few in Manchester, probably other cities - it's a countdown to the green man disappearing. If you're thinking of crossing you've got 3,2,1 d'oh!

[Abbott]

bigpriest said:

droopsnoot said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I think button pushing would be greatly reduced if there were actually a countdown timer displayed, rather than the old-fashioned illuminated "Wait".

I'm sure I've seen that on some crossings, perhaps the US or Japan. Or maybe I've seen a countdown timer to show how long the pedestrian has until the light changes against them.

There are a few in Manchester, probably other cities - it's a countdown to the green man disappearing. If you're thinking of crossing you've got 3,2,1 d'oh!

seen it on a lot of lights controlling traffic. mush calmer

[Promised Land]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I've always assumed that the button is to indicate that there there are people wishing to cross, and that when the next crossing time is due the lights will change. The corollary being that if nobody has pressed the button when that time comes then the lights won't bother changing as nobody is waiting to cross.

I think button pushing would be greatly reduced if there were actually a countdown timer displayed, rather than the old-fashioned illuminated "Wait".

Green light to cross appears whether the button is pressed or not as I never press it and if no one else turns up the green man still goes on in the sequence.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Promised Land said:

Green light to cross appears whether the button is pressed or not as I never press it and if no one else turns up the green man still goes on in the sequence.

Surely not. Are you really saying that traffic is stopped when no pedestrians are waiting to cross?

[Defcon5]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Surely not. Are you really saying that traffic is stopped when no pedestrians are waiting to cross?

He is talking about crossings at junctions, where the lights change on rotation regardless

[Promised Land]

Defcon5 said:

He is talking about crossings at junctions, where the lights change on rotation regardless

He knows that, as I said above the only ones the button works are stand alone crossings on a road nowhere near a junction.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Promised Land said:

He knows that, as I said above the only ones the button works are stand alone crossings on a road nowhere near a junction.

Sorry, but *she* didn't in fact know that because she was replying to the post she quoted and had missed the caveat.

I have read back now, and I can see that you did mention junctions. And in the reply to *that* post I postulated that if the button wasn't pressed then the lights could skip the pedestrian part. On really busy streets then perhaps they do indeed show the green man regardless of the button press but I doubt that's a hard and fast rule.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 28th April 19:44

[paua]

Nethybridge said:

What the flig went on in New Zealand that they have [had?] so many extinct birds ?

People came, many of the birds were flightless.

[Promised Land]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Sorry, but *she* didn't in fact know that because she was replying to the post she quoted and had missed the caveat.

I have read back now, and I can see that you did mention junctions. And in the reply to *that* post I postulated that if the button wasn't pressed then the lights could skip the pedestrian part. On really busy streets then perhaps they do indeed show the green man regardless of the button press but I doubt that's a hard and fast rule.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 28th April 19:44

Well I am sorry .

But the original post from myself that you quoted had it quite clearly in the last paragraph.

It’s the same on any pedestrian crossing that’s on a road junction, button does nothing but is there so people think it works and will wait.

Edited by Promised Land on Sunday 28th April 20:13

[Promised Land]

paua said:

Nethybridge said:

What the flig went on in New Zealand that they have [had?] so many extinct birds ?

People came, many of the birds were flightless.

Add in because they had no predators hence when humans fronted up to kill and eat the birds weren’t on alert to have it away.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

I did answer that a page ago!

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Promised Land said:

Nethybridge said:

Even with an alleged headlight ativated system it can't override the safety aspect, the light you're sitting at always will remain at red if the entrance light is still green however much you flash at it.
It's those occasions at a rural location, where no other cars are present
at the other end of the worksite and your light is red, people think flashing
at it will activate the system to green.

I cannot dissuade a colleague of his belief, it's ingrained in his DNA.

Very similar to the placebo button on pedestrian crossings at junctions, the button does nothing at all as the traffic light sequence fir the T or X junction dictates when the crossing will turn to a green man to safely cross.

But still everyone who strolls up presses it thinking it activates the lights, it does not.

The only time they work is on a crossing along a highway where no junction is involved.

That is categorically incorrect. As a part of my job, I programme/commission traffic signals, and I can confirm that when a ped demand button is present, it 100% does actively enter in to the phasing sequence. There may be a situation where one arm of a signallised junction gets a green man by default when that arm gets a red (to vehicles) light. But even then, the ped button, if pressed, will allow a guaranteed minimum green man time to allow for slower road crossing users. The pedestrian demand button is never, ever set to blank/ignored.

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Chapter 11 gives you all you need to know.

Edited by Rusty Old-Banger on Monday 29th April 17:28