Honestly are you following lockdown rules?
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
TGTiff said:
All this is a load of b00lox!
It is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
Oh fIt is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
k off. The problem is, for people like me who think Covid is a serious problem but is being handled wrongly, and our personal freedoms have been given up far to easily, my viewpoint get's lumped in with idiots like you. You and your ilk are actually a gift for those who want to exercise too much control, because your idiocy is just laughable and actually strengthens their hand. . MikeT66 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
TGTiff said:
All this is a load of b00lox!
It is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
Oh fIt is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
k off. The problem is, for people like me who think Covid is a serious problem but is being handled wrongly, and our personal freedoms have been given up far to easily, my viewpoint get's lumped in with idiots like you. You and your ilk are actually a gift for those who want to exercise too much control, because your idiocy is just laughable and actually strengthens their hand. . TwigtheWonderkid said:
MikeT66 said:
Sorry (I know everyone has an opinion)
Indeed they do. Unfortunately, we live in a world where people believe all opinions are equal, and all opinions deserve respect. They aren't and they don't. Plus, I was trying to be kind.
Ultimately the job of any government in a democracy is to be as popular as possible so they can get reelected; it's inevitable that that wont tie in exactly what what scientists think will be the best way to save lives.
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
kambites said:
Ultimately the job of any government in a democracy is to be as popular as possible so they can get reelected; it's inevitable that that wont tie in exactly what what scientists think will be the best way to save lives.
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
This whole thing has been one big never ending wet dream for Icke.However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
kambites said:
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
Indeed. If the virus targeted the gullible, these people would be in serious trouble. Or should that be GGGGGullible (5G)roadsmash said:
Sheepshanks said:
Fullook said:
More than 7% of the over 65 year olds in the UK have dementia. That's well over 5 million people.
Not sure what you're doing with the numbers there? It's nothing like 5 million.That's still quite alot of people, in one category amongst many others, who may not have the luxury of making their own risk assessment.
There are plenty of other examples where the "everyone makes their own risk assessment" approach doesn't cut it for me, e.g.
The cleaner / waitress / shopworker / rail passenger who contracts it and then spreads it to their co-workers & family because I made a risk assessment that said it's ok for me to go for a weekend break to the Cotswolds even though I live in a Tier 3 city.
The people who's (non-covid) critical care outcomes are jeopardised because ITU wards are full of individuals who excercised their individual rights to make individual risk assessments that only considered the risk to themselves, with no consideration for the fact that we share healthcare resources and that if everyone acts like that, there won't be enough of those resources to go round.
I'm not catastrophising, we are already nearing that point in parts of the North West.
A couple of points:
-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears.
If they said: in some hospitals capacity is at about the same as prior years when busy that wouldn’t make great news would it?
-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears.
If they said: in some hospitals capacity is at about the same as prior years when busy that wouldn’t make great news would it?
Edited by CS Garth on Tuesday 20th October 12:52
CS Garth said:
A couple of points:
-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears
Where are these facts from? The fact that they’re lying ?-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears
fastraxx said:
CS Garth said:
A couple of points:
-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears
Where are these facts from? The fact that they’re lying ?-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-...
CS Garth said:
Thanks - but have you tied that with specific statements somewhere about 'being full' when theyre not? fastraxx said:
Thanks - but have you tied that with specific statements somewhere about 'being full' when theyre not?
Appreciate it ‘s a data dump. Here’s something that is fairly accessible, ICU and Critical care are synonymous:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...
It’s shows 81% occupancy across the UK last October
CS Garth said:
Appreciate it ‘s a data dump.
Here’s something that is fairly accessible, ICU and Critical care are synonymous:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...
It’s shows 81% occupancy across the UK last October
Ok - thats great. Apologies if I am being thick but where is the contrasting statements which prove they're lying? i.e. saying they're full when data shows otherwise?Here’s something that is fairly accessible, ICU and Critical care are synonymous:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...
It’s shows 81% occupancy across the UK last October
fastraxx said:
Where are these facts from? The fact that they’re lying ?
And to be clear, they aren’t lying per se. They are just presenting facts in a way that appears worrying when in fact they are completely normal. ICU beds are nearly always “approaching capacity” in a technical sense, they don’t have loads sat round empty for efficiency’s sake
fastraxx said:
Ok - thats great. Apologies if I am being thick but where is the contrasting statements which prove they're lying? i.e. saying they're full when data shows otherwise?
Crossed with my note above - they’re not lying just using weasel words is ‘some’ hospitals are “fast approaching” capacity to manipulate the fear factor Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff