Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

[coldel]

Just looked at the latest page of the vaccine paranoids...some hilarious comments. One said that all his non vaccinated friends and family are fine and all the vaxxed ones are keeling over in their droves.

Some responses along the lines of 'can you let me know when its my turn to go so I can cancel the milk' - I honestly laughed my arse off

[Notch 8]

coldel said:

Just looked at the latest page of the vaccine paranoids...some hilarious comments. One said that all his non vaccinated friends and family are fine and all the vaxxed ones are keeling over in their droves.

Some responses along the lines of 'can you let me know when its my turn to go so I can cancel the milk' - I honestly laughed my arse off

It’s hilarious isn’t it! A wry smile always crosses my face when I see a new post has been added to it.

The milk comment had me howling too.

[eldar]

Notch 8 said:

coldel said:

Just looked at the latest page of the vaccine paranoids...some hilarious comments. One said that all his non vaccinated friends and family are fine and all the vaxxed ones are keeling over in their droves.

Some responses along the lines of 'can you let me know when its my turn to go so I can cancel the milk' - I honestly laughed my arse off

It’s hilarious isn’t it! A wry smile always crosses my face when I see a new post has been added to it.

The milk comment had me howling too.

It often looks like it's some kind of spoof thread, but some of the inmates seem to actually believe what they say.

Good for brightening up another wise dull day

[Notch 8]

eldar said:

It often looks like it's some kind of spoof thread, but some of the inmates seem to actually believe what they say.

Good for brightening up another wise dull day

It’s often so cringeworthy, but that’s why I like comedies like ‘The Office’. Brent was always away with the fairies too.

[Baroque attacks]

Oh no!

[MBBlat]

Baroque attacks said:

Oh no!

They missed the “Free from” that should be before the “fact checked” statement.
Also if there is a 14,000% increase in cancer cases that would mean every US citizen has cancer 8 thousand times over, I’m surprised there is anyone left to tweet anything.
Even if you take the view that this is an increase in the proportion of cancer cases rather than the number of cancer cases, then 80% of the US population would now have cancer, I think someone would have noticed that.
Maths based on US cancer diagnosis of 1.9 million per year and a population of 333.3 million.

Unless of course they are talking of the mythical “turbo cancer” in which 14,000% of 0 is still 0.

[Notch 8]

‘I’m awake, you’re still asleep’ is another amusing term the CTist will use.

It’s always the same, always used in a self-reflective/indulgent ‘I’m a crusader’ kind of way.

[vetrof]

This one's a corker.
Good old scimandan looking at a woman who believes the solar eclipse was a hologram.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxF17qADLEE

[coldel]

MBBlat said:

Baroque attacks said:

Oh no!

They missed the “Free from” that should be before the “fact checked” statement.
Also if there is a 14,000% increase in cancer cases that would mean every US citizen has cancer 8 thousand times over, I’m surprised there is anyone left to tweet anything.
Even if you take the view that this is an increase in the proportion of cancer cases rather than the number of cancer cases, then 80% of the US population would now have cancer, I think someone would have noticed that.
Maths based on US cancer diagnosis of 1.9 million per year and a population of 333.3 million.

Unless of course they are talking of the mythical “turbo cancer” in which 14,000% of 0 is still 0.

There are some obvious nonsensical claims going on as you rightly pointed out, the numbers literally do not stack up.

So lets look at the source datas and see what they are using in the article and how...

It turns out if you find the article itself it states that they have made their own summaries as the CDC does not provide the data publicly. So despite the headline claiming that CDC data shows 14,000% increase, this isn't actually the case at all, the CDC are not claiming nor endorsing that finding.

Dive deeper, the data source (always find the data source) shows that they pulled it from a CDC database called VAERS which is a self reporting data base to monitor all vaccines and their impacts on people. The wiki page definition is:

"VAERS is used to continually monitor reports to determine whether any vaccine or vaccine lot has a higher than expected rate of events. Doctors and other vaccine providers are encouraged to report adverse events, even if they are not certain that the vaccination was the cause."

So it is reported, regardless of whether the doctor knows for certain it is the case, or not. Its simply a mass data entry database that has unverified data on it. This is also where CT will get very confused, understanding the difference between causation and correlation.

Now when looking further at the article you see the big problems in how they have no idea how to use numbers.

They have right up front this to try and shock the reader by immediately going into the subject of child illness.

"According to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) just 8 cancer cases were linked to the many influenza vaccines on offer between the 1st January 2021 and 29th March 2024. Whereas 497 cancer cases were connected to the few COVID-19 vaccines on offer during the same time frame. This equates to a 6,113% increase in cancer cases due to COVID-19 vaccination."

I cant quite work out how they got to 6113%, if I calculate the uplift from 8 to 497 as a percentage I get close, but not the same. The fact that they are comparing influenza vs covid vaccines also makes no sense vs the headline.

The main issue though is the fundamental misuse of the data source. It is unverified and incomplete and not designed for the purpose for which these CT are using it for. This is the issue seen amongst CT is they know how to multiple and divide but they are not data literate i.e. understand the importance of context, data source, sample rates, so on and so forth.

Always check the sources of the data, usually thats where you can debunk nonsense like this.

Edited by coldel on Thursday 18th April 11:19

[MightyBadger]

Turbo cancer

[captain_cynic]

MightyBadger said:

Turbo cancer

They've been able to use turbochaegers to shrink the size of the cancer to produce the same power and torque as a larger, naturally aspirated cancer.

[Killer2005]

Notch 8 said:

‘I’m awake, you’re still asleep’ is another amusing term the CTist will use.

It’s always the same, always used in a self-reflective/indulgent ‘I’m a crusader’ kind of way.

I saw one on Facebook recently who was claiming because he keeps an open mind over the moon landings and he thought COVID was overblown, he was akin to Einstein and Isaac Newton whilst everyone who pointed out the obvious to him was a narcissist.

MightyBadger said:

Turbo cancer

Is there a supercharger cancer?

[Notch 8]

MightyBadger said:

Turbo cancer

The most cringeworthy term in modern use, surely?

[bodhi]

Never thought cancer was one of those diseases that needed sexed up with a term like turbo cancer - especially considering how fast it spreads anyway.

I tried to take that particular poster to task about it, recounting my own experience with the disease, and how it was only caught on a follow up appointment with the NHS. Considering those follow up appointments weren't happening due to COVID, I found that any increase in cancer was more likely to be due to that.

It was taken as seriously as you can imagine....

[Notch 8]

Killer2005 said:

Notch 8 said:

‘I’m awake, you’re still asleep’ is another amusing term the CTist will use.

It’s always the same, always used in a self-reflective/indulgent ‘I’m a crusader’ kind of way.

I saw one on Facebook recently who was claiming because he keeps an open mind over the moon landings and he thought COVID was overblown, he was akin to Einstein and Isaac Newton whilst everyone who pointed out the obvious to him was a narcissist.

The irony being that he is most probably a narcissist because the average CTist will never admit that they may be wrong.

[Quhet]

I see that chemtrails is trending again on twitter. fking imbeciles

[Notch 8]

Quhet said:

I see that chemtrails is trending again on twitter. fking imbeciles

That one will always have a fresh recruitment drive, as it plays out well to the ever so slightly paranoid, let alone the rest.

[Notch 8]

Apparently defibrillators are appearing more since the ‘vax rollout’.

An interestingly naive angle.

[Blown2CV]

without meaning to stoop to their level, does the data exist that refutes their claim that the vaccine is correlated with a higher incidence of heart attacks and deaths associated with.

[Notch 8]

Blown2CV said:

without meaning to stoop to their level, does the data exist that refutes their claim that the vaccine is correlated with a higher incidence of heart attacks and deaths associated with.

I haven’t seen anything which would suggest this, but maybe I’m part of the problem - ‘refusing to see what is blindingly obvious’ or something equally melodramatic.