Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
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PurplePenguin said:
Why would you change your view if it IS a fact that vaccines cause that specific side effect?
A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
I knew this link may annoy, as it directly challenges some deep views. It’s had exactly the same reaction elsewhere.A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
Notch 8 said:
PurplePenguin said:
Why would you change your view if it IS a fact that vaccines cause that specific side effect?
A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
I knew this link may annoy, as it directly challenges some deep views.A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
I guess it does demonstrate behaviours though, as a general observation.
That despite it being clearly shown that it isnt a conspiracy, that vaccines always have side effects but the numbers are really small, that despite it just behaving like most vaccines/drugs, somehow this one is different. And despite the evidence, there is no change in narrative, why is that?
The answer generally is because there is no critical thinking or objective analysis going on.
Instead it starts with a fear, which manifests in a need to 'find something', something is then found on the internet that supports that fear, that something is held on to because it rationalises that fear...so the process is backwards...start at the end and work forwards towards data that supports the end point. This is not critical thinking, nor objective data analysis.
That despite it being clearly shown that it isnt a conspiracy, that vaccines always have side effects but the numbers are really small, that despite it just behaving like most vaccines/drugs, somehow this one is different. And despite the evidence, there is no change in narrative, why is that?
The answer generally is because there is no critical thinking or objective analysis going on.
Instead it starts with a fear, which manifests in a need to 'find something', something is then found on the internet that supports that fear, that something is held on to because it rationalises that fear...so the process is backwards...start at the end and work forwards towards data that supports the end point. This is not critical thinking, nor objective data analysis.
coldel said:
I guess it does demonstrate behaviours though, as a general observation.
That despite it being clearly shown that it isnt a conspiracy, that vaccines always have side effects but the numbers are really small, that despite it just behaving like most vaccines/drugs, somehow this one is different. And despite the evidence, there is no change in narrative, why is that?
The answer generally is because there is no critical thinking or objective analysis going on.
Instead it starts with a fear, which manifests in a need to 'find something', something is then found on the internet that supports that fear, that something is held on to because it rationalises that fear...so the process is backwards...start at the end and work forwards towards data that supports the end point. This is not critical thinking, nor objective data analysis.
Spot on!That despite it being clearly shown that it isnt a conspiracy, that vaccines always have side effects but the numbers are really small, that despite it just behaving like most vaccines/drugs, somehow this one is different. And despite the evidence, there is no change in narrative, why is that?
The answer generally is because there is no critical thinking or objective analysis going on.
Instead it starts with a fear, which manifests in a need to 'find something', something is then found on the internet that supports that fear, that something is held on to because it rationalises that fear...so the process is backwards...start at the end and work forwards towards data that supports the end point. This is not critical thinking, nor objective data analysis.
PurplePenguin said:
Why would you change your view if it IS a fact that vaccines cause that specific side effect?
A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
No, the bigger question is why do some people have a desperate need to believe that they can uniquely see the truth that the vast majority, and importantly the majority of experts cannot, or will not comprehend?A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
It’s not about COVID, it’s about a need for validation.
740EVTORQUES said:
PurplePenguin said:
Why would you change your view if it IS a fact that vaccines cause that specific side effect?
A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
No, the bigger question is why do some people have a desperate need to believe that they can uniquely see the truth that the vast majority, and importantly the majority of experts cannot, or will not comprehend?A bigger question is why Covid vaccines continued to be pushed on to healthy people despite not having undergone the various trial stages.
It’s not about COVID, it’s about a need for validation.
I know someone who is just like that, although he has been quiet lately. I only say it because I used to be a bit like it myself (I thought the moon landings were faked for instance), but it was something I grew out of I suppose.
Notch 8 said:
Not having a go at PP here, but I think the internet provides all the views that a CTist will want to see. Then find other people with similar opinions, and the sense of self importance becomes quite bloated.
I know someone who is just like that, although he has been quiet lately. I only say it because I used to be a bit like it myself (I thought the moon landings were faked for instance), but it was something I grew out of I suppose.
The evidence for the moon landings is almost comically overwhelming. What caused your doubts and what brought you back to reality? I know someone who is just like that, although he has been quiet lately. I only say it because I used to be a bit like it myself (I thought the moon landings were faked for instance), but it was something I grew out of I suppose.
paulguitar said:
The evidence for the moon landings is almost comically overwhelming. What caused your doubts and what brought you back to reality?
A mixture of Immature thinking, the U.S had to beat the Russians as a matter of national pride, a documentary I watched on Netflix about it all being faked etc etc. I remember a key phrase in that documentary being ‘If you can’t make it, fake it’, which I found quite convincing at the time.
I think what brought me round was when someone asked me who put the mirrors on there.
Edited by Notch 8 on Friday 19th April 18:06
Dr Murdoch said:
Don’t you remember the CTs were predicting that you wouldn’t be allowed into any pub in the land without proving your vaccination certificate, and this restriction would be applied forever. Their power of prediction was apparently proved when a couple of pubs in Manchester imposed this for a few days in 2021.The fact that the rest of us have never had to provide our vaccination “passport” to get into any venue since, and it’s now been dropped for almost all international travel, seems a bit beyond them.
paulguitar said:
Notch 8 said:
Not having a go at PP here, but I think the internet provides all the views that a CTist will want to see. Then find other people with similar opinions, and the sense of self importance becomes quite bloated.
I know someone who is just like that, although he has been quiet lately. I only say it because I used to be a bit like it myself (I thought the moon landings were faked for instance), but it was something I grew out of I suppose.
The evidence for the moon landings is almost comically overwhelming. What caused your doubts and what brought you back to reality? I know someone who is just like that, although he has been quiet lately. I only say it because I used to be a bit like it myself (I thought the moon landings were faked for instance), but it was something I grew out of I suppose.
The plan floundered though due to his insistance on filming on location…
740EVTORQUES said:
Apparently in fact NASA did explore faking the moon landings, even going so far as to hire legendary movie director Stanley Kubrick, famous for his attention to detail.
The plan floundered though due to his insistance on filming on location…
Yes there is that joke around it, very good!The plan floundered though due to his insistance on filming on location…
Actually the whole Stanley Kubrick thing came from a fictitious film called Shooting Stanley Kubrick where an actor played him and part of the film included an interview where the actor playing him said they staged it all. Of course, this was just fiction but that didnt stop CT taking that and over time converting into 'actual quotes' from Kubrick himself. Much like we see on here, taking information and data and presenting it in such a way to support a desired outcome.
But yes, if you wanted to fake a moon landing, you would get a famous director in who is in the public eye constantly...then film it in a studio which has a fan blowing in it to make a flag look like it was moving and the millions of other mistakes that CTs think they have seen...good grief.
coldel said:
Yes there is that joke around it, very good!
Actually the whole Stanley Kubrick thing came from a fictitious film called Shooting Stanley Kubrick where an actor played him and part of the film included an interview where the actor playing him said they staged it all. Of course, this was just fiction but that didnt stop CT taking that and over time converting into 'actual quotes' from Kubrick himself. Much like we see on here, taking information and data and presenting it in such a way to support a desired outcome.
But yes, if you wanted to fake a moon landing, you would get a famous director in who is in the public eye constantly...then film it in a studio which has a fan blowing in it to make a flag look like it was moving and the millions of other mistakes that CTs think they have seen...good grief.
Kubrick makes lots of references to Apollo in The Shinning.Actually the whole Stanley Kubrick thing came from a fictitious film called Shooting Stanley Kubrick where an actor played him and part of the film included an interview where the actor playing him said they staged it all. Of course, this was just fiction but that didnt stop CT taking that and over time converting into 'actual quotes' from Kubrick himself. Much like we see on here, taking information and data and presenting it in such a way to support a desired outcome.
But yes, if you wanted to fake a moon landing, you would get a famous director in who is in the public eye constantly...then film it in a studio which has a fan blowing in it to make a flag look like it was moving and the millions of other mistakes that CTs think they have seen...good grief.
Al Gorithum said:
Worth worth having a look at Netflix: The Antisocial Network. Gives an insight into how many of these CT’s started, and the mentality of the originators and believers.
I’ve been meaning to watch that. I’ll have a look on my brain tumour producing gadget (phone) *Popular CT circa 1990s*.Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff