Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

[DonkeyApple]

valiant said:

15 minute cities would be fab.

I've got a dozen pubs plus a Tesco Express within 15 minute walk of my house. I'm totally sorted.

Bring it on!

And the riffraff who live 15 minutes away can't come in.

I suspect whether one is a fan of the concept depends on which segment one lives in?

Oxford seems to have gone a bit OTT as an example but voter demographics mean they can just vote them out if desired.

However, after the next GE I suspect we'll see an uptick in local lunacy.

[Ken_Code]

Oxford seem to be doing it the wrong way round. You need the services and facilities available first, you can’t start restricting movement and then hope that what’s needed will just appear.

[DonkeyApple]

Ken_Code said:

Oxford seem to be doing it the wrong way round. You need the services and facilities available first, you can’t start restricting movement and then hope that what’s needed will just appear.

Someone is going to have to live with the misery of the first attempt before other local powers will believe the reality of the issues of segregating communities along arbitrarily drawn up lines. I sometimes wonder how Oxford has chosen to ignore colonial history, which it was such a core part of, that to this day still reminds us daily of the folly of lines through communities, segregations and apartheids!!

It's all a bit bonkers really.

By all means build a local environment where casual car usage because so non essential that it can be reduced but as you say, let's engage brain and do it the right way round.

And of course, these are the same councils who have spent thirty years taking global conglomerate cash for ring road chain stores that required cars to function and that finished off all the local, family services that everyone could walk to and which employed locals and where the money that crossed the counter remained local rather than evaporating out of the community in a nano second, along with the steady cull of what's left of local labour.

These are not bright people but idealists and new world order dreamers.

[GeneralBanter]

DonkeyApple said:

And the riffraff who live 15 minutes away can't come in.

I suspect whether one is a fan of the concept depends on which segment one lives in?

Oxford seems to have gone a bit OTT as an example but voter demographics mean they can just vote them out if desired.

However, after the next GE I suspect we'll see an uptick in local lunacy.

[RSTurboPaul]

dukeboy749r said:

Rufus Stone said:

Rollin said:

Plenty people on the COVID thread thought it was a reasonable request to refuse a blood transfusion from a vaccinated person.

There were some who claimed they would kill themselves if they were forced to have the injection.

Darwin’s Law is bound to find a way. Eventually.

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

[GeneralBanter]

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

[coldel]

Honestly, its not worth it.

COVID thread as always is datta way >>>>

[GeneralBanter]

coldel said:

Honestly, its not worth it.

COVID thread as always is datta way >>>>

It seems the CT'ers come on here for some sort of validation so that that they can think they aren't CT'ers

[RSTurboPaul]

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

[DonkeyApple]

MBNA has been proven to be far more toxic and life shortening for millions.

[GeneralBanter]

DonkeyApple said:

MBNA has been proven to be far more toxic and life shortening for millions.

MBDA has certainly changed the life expectancy of a lot of Russians.

[RSTurboPaul]

GeneralBanter said:

DonkeyApple said:

MBNA has been proven to be far more toxic and life shortening for millions.

MBDA has certainly changed the life expectancy of a lot of Russians.

MDMA has apparently been a lot more uplifting for many!

[andyeds1234]

RSTurboPaul said:

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

“Further information” may discover that mRNA bestows immortality and a super intelligence.
One can only reflect, that further information on potential super powers may yet come forward in time.
What a conundrum.

[740EVTORQUES]

RSTurboPaul said:

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

A blood transfusion is literally stuffed full of molecules that are foreign to that person in vastly higher quantities than any spike proteins.

In addition, someone ill enough to need a blood transfusion is probably far more likely to suffer harm from not getting the transfusion they need than any real or perceived risk from that one small component of the donated blood.

Why are you so worried about spike proteins, it seems out of all proportion?

[GeneralBanter]

740EVTORQUES said:

RSTurboPaul said:

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

A blood transfusion is literally stuffed full of molecules that are foreign to that person in vastly higher quantities than any spike proteins.

In addition, someone ill enough to need a blood transfusion is probably far more likely to suffer harm from not getting the transfusion they need than any real or perceived risk from that one small component of the donated blood.

Why are you so worried about spike proteins, it seems out of all proportion?

Oh do stop bringing common sense into it !

[andyeds1234]

740EVTORQUES said:

RSTurboPaul said:

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

A blood transfusion is literally stuffed full of molecules that are foreign to that person in vastly higher quantities than any spike proteins.

In addition, someone ill enough to need a blood transfusion is probably far more likely to suffer harm from not getting the transfusion they need than any real or perceived risk from that one small component of the donated blood.

Why are you so worried about spike proteins, it seems out of all proportion?

If someone has a phobia, logic doesn’t come into it.
CTs have a lot of phobias.

[Baroque attacks]

andyeds1234 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

RSTurboPaul said:

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

A blood transfusion is literally stuffed full of molecules that are foreign to that person in vastly higher quantities than any spike proteins.

In addition, someone ill enough to need a blood transfusion is probably far more likely to suffer harm from not getting the transfusion they need than any real or perceived risk from that one small component of the donated blood.

Why are you so worried about spike proteins, it seems out of all proportion?

If someone has a phobia, logic doesn’t come into it.
CTs have a lot of phobias.

History often repeats itself.

The American Red Cross used to segregate(!) blood from African-Americans because you know, black blood is infectious - or some such rubbish believed by odd people.

No doubt the moment they find out about it our CT friends will say how things like the Blood Shield Statutes in the US are part of the BIG pharma *baddie music plays* plan.

[Chromegrill]

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear....

I believe the bigger concern was that some people were getting into a tailspin over a single RNA gene and the spike protein it produced, rather than the rather longer strip of RNA that coded for the Covid virus, plus the spike protein coating the virus, and all the other components of the virus.

Given the human body can't tell them apart, other than that besides spike protein, the latter RNA genome included had a load of extra genes that had a nasty feature of killing people, it makes no sense to refuse a blood transfusion from someone who's been vaccinated against Covid unless you're also going to refuse a transfusion from anyone who's ever had a Covid infection.

In which case you'd better make sure you never need a blood transfusion as the number of suitable donors for you will be pretty small.

There again, familiarity with molecular biology doesn't appear to be a strong point for some people.

[Rollin]

Yeah but ask TurboPaul about the graphene daggers!!!

[740EVTORQUES]

andyeds1234 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

RSTurboPaul said:

GeneralBanter said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I believe the concerns underlying the position described were that the persistence of both mRNA and any spike proteins produced following injection was unclear, despite claims that 'it stays in the arm and is cleared in a couple of days'.

It seems there may have been some validity to those concerns, given that some studies appear to have indicated that mRNA has been detected in the lymph nodes and heart muscles 30 days from injection ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758751/ ),
has been found intact in breast milk ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35087517/ ),
and has been found intact in the blood 15 days after injection ( https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/10/7/1538 ).

I recall another paper was discussed online that suggested full-length mRNA was found in the body 12 months after injection, but I can't find the link now.

Why 'concern' when its not proved to cause any problems?

Also interesting to see stated 'it has been estimated that COVID-19 vaccines averted almost one-quarter of a million deaths' in the US.

Edited by GeneralBanter on Monday 29th April 17:32

'[N]ot proved to cause any problems' would seem to reflect that further information may yet come forward in time.

The underlying point would seem to be that it may be possible to receive mRNA via blood transfusion if, as studies seem to show, it is present within blood for an extended period after injection, and therefore someone not wishing to receive mRNA products would seem correct in refusing a transfusion on that basis.

I am not sure if studies have been undertaken to specifically look into such a potential method of transfer of mRNA.

A blood transfusion is literally stuffed full of molecules that are foreign to that person in vastly higher quantities than any spike proteins.

In addition, someone ill enough to need a blood transfusion is probably far more likely to suffer harm from not getting the transfusion they need than any real or perceived risk from that one small component of the donated blood.

Why are you so worried about spike proteins, it seems out of all proportion?

If someone has a phobia, logic doesn’t come into it.
CTs have a lot of phobias.

People with phobias usually have the insight to recognise that their fears are irrational even if they lack the ability to overcome them. They also generally don’t try to recruit others into their phobia. In many cases they seek help for their problems rather than trying to strengthen their fear through validation from others.

CTs are not phobic, it’s far more damaging.