Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

[Raccaccoonie]

Zumbruk said:

T&T didn't cost £37bn.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/

“Unimaginable” cost of Test & Trace failed to deliver central promise of averting another lockdown

''In May last year NHS Test and Trace (NHST&T) was set up with a budget of £22 billion. Since then it has been allocated £15 billion more: totalling £37 billion over two years.''

''"The £22 billion for test and trace is about the annual budget of the Department for Transport. Test and Trace still continues to pay for consultants at £1000 a day.''

A lot of friends of the Tories did very well out of CV19, that is clear.

What's wrong?

Here's my conspiracy, the Tory Party are chucking money at people to buy votes, which is not sustainable and will impact the UK for centuries.

Edited by Raccaccoonie on Friday 17th March 11:46

[bodhi]

To quote plenty of midwits on Twitter - 37bn for an app and it didn't even work!

Of course that's easily shown to be BS - https://fullfact.org/health/test-and-trace-37-bill...

Looks like less than £30bn was spent, and the bulk of that was on those "free" tests that were given out like candy.

[Zumbruk]

bodhi said:

To quote plenty of midwits on Twitter - 37bn for an app and it didn't even work!

Of course that's easily shown to be BS - https://fullfact.org/health/test-and-trace-37-bill...

Looks like less than £30bn was spent, and the bulk of that was on those "free" tests that were given out like candy.

Precisely.

[Zumbruk]

Raccaccoonie said:

Zumbruk said:

T&T didn't cost £37bn.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/

“Unimaginable” cost of Test & Trace failed to deliver central promise of averting another lockdown

''In May last year NHS Test and Trace (NHST&T) was set up with a budget of £22 billion. Since then it has been allocated £15 billion more: totalling £37 billion over two years.''

Budget allocation =/= spending.

Raccaccoonie said:

Here's my conspiracy, the Tory Party are chucking money at people to buy votes, which is not sustainable and will impact the UK for centuries.

More like chucking money at their mates.

[Al Gorithum]

Unreal said:

How did the Crown Prince and your engineering colleagues speak to you about your incorrect assumptions?

Another request without a "please". To answer your question, the former never knew because I was just fobbing him off for a while, the latter was a grateful opportunity for learning.

There's nothing wrong with admitting to being wrong IMO.

[Killer2005]

Zumbruk said:

Raccaccoonie said:

Zumbruk said:

T&T didn't cost £37bn.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/

“Unimaginable” cost of Test & Trace failed to deliver central promise of averting another lockdown

''In May last year NHS Test and Trace (NHST&T) was set up with a budget of £22 billion. Since then it has been allocated £15 billion more: totalling £37 billion over two years.''

Budget allocation =/= spending.

Raccaccoonie said:

Here's my conspiracy, the Tory Party are chucking money at people to buy votes, which is not sustainable and will impact the UK for centuries.

More like chucking money at their mates.

You're now moving from Conspiracy to politics. And it's not as if Labour would be any different.

[Zumbruk]

Killer2005 said:

And it's not as if Labour would be any different.

Possibly not, but "whataboutery" wasn't much of an argument in infant school, never mind now.

One of the characteristics of the smooth-brained in general (including CTs) is the inability to see nuance; Not all situations are black-and-white, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, just because I think the current Tory Government are incompetent corrupt evil fascist scum does not mean that I am desperate to be rogered by Starmer, just because some scientists are mistaken/bonkers/corrupt does not mean they all are, just because papers are retracted does not mean they all should be (FFS, that is how science is supposed to work).

[Raccaccoonie]

Killer2005 said:

You're now moving from Conspiracy to politics. And it's not as if Labour would be any different.

Sorry only 30 billion wasted... Still incorrect full fact doesn't take into account 2022 ''deals'', another 2.5 billion was spunked plus other deals. So 32 billion at the least, not really that far off 37 billion is it?

Why is it always about would be any difference, they haven't been in power for over 10 years, debt has gone from 1 trillion to 2.5 trillion, I don't think an argument can really use oh labour would be worse, what is happening is the worst in recent history, not seen the Tories even address this issue, the conspiracy is people like yourself using weak justifications becoming their mouth pieces, no critical thinking employed, no debate allowed.

What is obvious to see, is things like this and the 2.5 billion spent on hotels are just money down the drain. The future generations will be paying the price for incompetence for centuries.

Edited by Raccaccoonie on Friday 17th March 12:17

[Grey_Area]

This could prove interesting

https://overcast.fm/+IPPMMa_Qo

Infinite monkey cage.

[Al Gorithum]

Zumbruk said:

Possibly not, but "whataboutery" wasn't much of an argument in infant school, never mind now.

One of the characteristics of the smooth-brained in general (including CTs) is the inability to see nuance; Not all situations are black-and-white, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, just because I think the current Tory Government are incompetent corrupt evil fascist scum does not mean that I am desperate to be rogered by Starmer, just because some scientists are mistaken/bonkers/corrupt does not mean they all are, just because papers are retracted does not mean they all should be (FFS, that is how science is supposed to work).

Well said Sir.

[RemarkLima]

Al Gorithum & Zumbruk, get a room - the love in is making me sick

It's a joke BTW

Remember: Not all situations are black-and-white, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend

[Raccaccoonie]

The point I was trying to make is, the actual real problems we face , are distracted by things that in the scheme if things don't really matter. The biggest conspiracies will be in plan sight

[Zumbruk]

Raccaccoonie said:

The point I was trying to make is, the actual real problems we face , are distracted by things that in the scheme if things don't really matter.

Climate change.

Which is both an actual real problem and a favourite CT topic.

[andyeds1234]

Raccaccoonie said:

robscot said:

Thread of three good vids showing active structured radicalisation of people in the UK https://twitter.com/paraicobrien/status/1636124638...

Not watched it but get the gist. One thing is though the government is putting these people in the poorest parts of the country, where the poor might not actually get this leveling up thing touted by west minister saps. I'm sure if they were housed in middle class neighborhoods would they still be welcomed with open arms?

More than one in three children in three Black Country boroughs are living in poverty

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wol...

I think people just get a bit pissed off when 2.5 billion a year is spent , when people in the UK are still struggling?

I also think it feels like these things aren't really open for debate, similar to the 37 billion wasted on track and trace system, and 100 BIllion on HS2? The Tory government is very good at just throwing money at problems that add no value to anything.

Not true, plenty are being housed in middle class areas, you just don’t hear about it. We have a hotel locally, that has housed refugees for a few years now. Some bright sparks tried to organise a protest, and the vast majority of people living in the area responded that they were proud that our area was helping these people out.

[andyeds1234]

Zumbruk said:

andyeds1234 said:

Kawasicki said:

Both scientist opinions are peer reviewed.

…and the whole scientific community has simply stopped at that point. No further scientific study from that day onwards. All decided.

Drivel. Why do you feel you can comment on matters you obviously know nothing about?

Edited by Zumbruk on Friday 17th March 11:39

Whooooooooooooosh.

[Zumbruk]

andyeds1234 said:

Zumbruk said:

andyeds1234 said:

Kawasicki said:

Both scientist opinions are peer reviewed.

…and the whole scientific community has simply stopped at that point. No further scientific study from that day onwards. All decided.

Drivel. Why do you feel you can comment on matters you obviously know nothing about?

Edited by Zumbruk on Friday 17th March 11:39

Whooooooooooooosh.

The fact you cannot express yourself unambiguously is your problem, not mine.

[andyeds1234]

Zumbruk said:

andyeds1234 said:

Zumbruk said:

andyeds1234 said:

Kawasicki said:

Both scientist opinions are peer reviewed.

…and the whole scientific community has simply stopped at that point. No further scientific study from that day onwards. All decided.

Drivel. Why do you feel you can comment on matters you obviously know nothing about?

Edited by Zumbruk on Friday 17th March 11:39

Whooooooooooooosh.

The fact you cannot express yourself unambiguously is your problem, not mine.

Try following the chain of the conversation, it helps.
Oh and relax ffs.

[Raccaccoonie]

Zumbruk said:

Climate change.

Which is both an actual real problem and a favourite CT topic.

Good example, people arguing over things that are massive, yet take no heed of the fact millions of tonnes of plastic are dumped in our water, microplastics entering our blood stream, and forever chemicals for example. But get people focused on massive problems that detract from real issues driven by government and companies.

Energy companies making massive profit off the back of 'crises' that they control.

People would rather argue about the right and wrongs of things that they themselves have very little impact on. This then means the government has people that defend them, because they don't really question the actual things that impact them.

[iphonedyou]

andyeds1234 said:

Not true, plenty are being housed in middle class areas, you just don’t hear about it. We have a hotel locally, that has housed refugees for a few years now. Some bright sparks tried to organise a protest, and the vast majority of people living in the area responded that they were proud that our area was helping these people out.

That's true.

[LF5335]

Raccaccoonie said:

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/pub...

“Unimaginable” cost of Test & Trace failed to deliver central promise of averting another lockdown

''In May last year NHS Test and Trace (NHST&T) was set up with a budget of £22 billion. Since then it has been allocated £15 billion more: totalling £37 billion over two years.''

''"The £22 billion for test and trace is about the annual budget of the Department for Transport. Test and Trace still continues to pay for consultants at £1000 a day.''

A lot of friends of the Tories did very well out of CV19, that is clear.

What's wrong?

Here's my conspiracy, the Tory Party are chucking money at people to buy votes, which is not sustainable and will impact the UK for centuries.

Edited by Raccaccoonie on Friday 17th March 11:46

An incompetent government led by more incompetent idiots, leading even more incompetent idiots isn’t a conspiracy. It’s politics, it’s a disgrace, but it’s just plain and simple incompetence. There is a big difference between people shouting nonsense theories about nonsense concepts compared to incompetent idiots doing idiotically incompetent things.