Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
Discussion
coldel said:
I think its important to understand historical facts around the rise of Hitler and Germany in those times, the fractures in the public thinking, why Hitler came to power. Its a lot more complex than the very simple terms you have used above. Its a poor comparison, but one that gets trotted out every now and again.
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Ashfordian said:
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!
It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Enough similarities when a (compulsary) unhealthy dose of CTist melodrama is added.It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Ashfordian said:
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!
It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Although you think this is a defence of your stance, it just validates exactly what I wrote. I actually agree with some of the 'facts' that people have posted, because they undeniably happened. As mentioned, then taking a giant leap into conspiracy creations of the various ilk we hear is the issue.It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
'They' are out to get us
'They' lied to us all to take away our freedoms
'They' controlled us
'They' created it
'They' used it as an experiment
The broad brush statements like being allowed to be controlled, deliberately ignoring longer term consequences, are all a function of the programming of CT leading voices you are just playing back that validate your anxiety and fears of authority. This apparent huge group of people in this binary defined world doesnt exist in the simple form described, even conspiracies aside the population does not exist this way. There are dozens of nuances, differences, behaviours.
Somewhat ironically, the authority that controls the extreme views of COVID are 'hoodwinking' many. The 'truth' is a grey sweet spot somewhere in the middle, its complex to find and define, but its there and takes elements from all over the place. This very simple binary view of the population you have, the other group you defined, which is in reality much more diverse and fractured, is probably where that proper view of it all sits.
This isn't a unique set of circumstances. This is a behaviour set that applies itself to the predominant issues of the day. In ten years time it will be something else. COVID is the issue of the day, all these long term fears will in the long term ironically be forgotten and something else will rise and provide the endless internet evidence locker room to start over.
GeneralBanter said:
Yes you certainly are.
Why did you delete your old account and then come back under this new account?You held some pretty abhorrent Covid views under your past account (clearly making up 'facts'), and you made yourself look very silly. You were not to be trusted back then and that has only been confirmed over the three years since. You clearly have many skeletons that you are trying to hide
coldel said:
Although you think this is a defence of your stance, it just validates exactly what I wrote. I actually agree with some of the 'facts' that people have posted, because they undeniably happened. As mentioned, then taking a giant leap into conspiracy creations of the various ilk we hear is the issue.
'They' are out to get us
'They' lied to us all to take away our freedoms
'They' controlled us
'They' created it
'They' used it as an experiment
The broad brush statements like being allowed to be controlled, deliberately ignoring longer term consequences, are all a function of the programming of CT leading voices you are just playing back that validate your anxiety and fears of authority. This apparent huge group of people in this binary defined world doesnt exist in the simple form described, even conspiracies aside the population does not exist this way. There are dozens of nuances, differences, behaviours.
Somewhat ironically, the authority that controls the extreme views of COVID are 'hoodwinking' many. The 'truth' is a grey sweet spot somewhere in the middle, its complex to find and define, but its there and takes elements from all over the place. This very simple binary view of the population you have, the other group you defined, which is in reality much more diverse and fractured, is probably where that proper view of it all sits.
This isn't a unique set of circumstances. This is a behaviour set that applies itself to the predominant issues of the day. In ten years time it will be something else. COVID is the issue of the day, all these long term fears will in the long term ironically be forgotten and something else will rise and provide the endless internet evidence locker room to start over.
To you anyone who questions the UK's Covid response is a CT'er. Yet, you write all the contradictory stuff above about nuances, grey, differences, etc'They' are out to get us
'They' lied to us all to take away our freedoms
'They' controlled us
'They' created it
'They' used it as an experiment
The broad brush statements like being allowed to be controlled, deliberately ignoring longer term consequences, are all a function of the programming of CT leading voices you are just playing back that validate your anxiety and fears of authority. This apparent huge group of people in this binary defined world doesnt exist in the simple form described, even conspiracies aside the population does not exist this way. There are dozens of nuances, differences, behaviours.
Somewhat ironically, the authority that controls the extreme views of COVID are 'hoodwinking' many. The 'truth' is a grey sweet spot somewhere in the middle, its complex to find and define, but its there and takes elements from all over the place. This very simple binary view of the population you have, the other group you defined, which is in reality much more diverse and fractured, is probably where that proper view of it all sits.
This isn't a unique set of circumstances. This is a behaviour set that applies itself to the predominant issues of the day. In ten years time it will be something else. COVID is the issue of the day, all these long term fears will in the long term ironically be forgotten and something else will rise and provide the endless internet evidence locker room to start over.
You and others try to blur the lines and imply questioning is the same as the outright loonies, because you are uncomfortable with your own actions that you took and want to deflect away from any questioning of them.
Ashfordian said:
To you anyone who questions the UK's Covid response is a CT'er. Yet, you write all the contradictory stuff above about nuances, grey, differences, etc
You and others try to blur the lines and imply questioning is the same as the outright loonies, because you are uncomfortable with your own actions that you took and want to deflect away from any questioning of them.
Not really, again you will have read this in other threads I am sure, hoodwinked, once more. You and others try to blur the lines and imply questioning is the same as the outright loonies, because you are uncomfortable with your own actions that you took and want to deflect away from any questioning of them.
If you have been lurking here you will have seen me talk about the world not being binary time and again, yes I will label a CT someone that goes into wild speculation about nefarious government controls globally etc. based on often emotive reasoning and with anecdotal evidence, but as I have just done so, and times before, said I agreed with statements. However I have been at pains to explain how data interpretation and context is something a lot of people lack.
Simply posting a link to a 'lie' a government minister made, is in no way shape or form evidence of a big conspiracy that they are out to nefariously control us etc. In much the same way posting a 'truth' that a government official posts isn't evidence they are all angels and care about us all lovingly...to sit in one camp or the other is really not a sensible place to be.
I agree questions are good. But when the asker only wants to hear a specific answer that backs up a pre-disposition, then you have to consider the mindset of the person asking it, do they want to learn, or do they want their beliefs to be reinforced.
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
bodhi said:
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
paulguitar said:
bodhi said:
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
These f
king loons have a lot to answer for.Notch 8 said:
There’s no point in linking the article as there’s nothing in it about that last line.
It wouldn’t surprise me though if it did the rounds on X.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/big-ben-c...It wouldn’t surprise me though if it did the rounds on X.
Standard said:
Engineers were drafted in to fix Westminster's famous Big Ben clock after it stopped on Wednesday morning.
An incorrect number of bongs also sounded at the wrong time when the Elizabeth Tower clock appeared to stop for about an hour at 9am.
Big Ben’s iconic bongs rang out at 10:06am instead of on the hour.
A House of Commons spokesman said: “We are aware that the clock dials on the Elizabeth Tower were temporarily displaying the incorrect time this morning [Wednesday April 24].
An incorrect number of bongs also sounded at the wrong time when the Elizabeth Tower clock appeared to stop for about an hour at 9am.
Big Ben’s iconic bongs rang out at 10:06am instead of on the hour.
A House of Commons spokesman said: “We are aware that the clock dials on the Elizabeth Tower were temporarily displaying the incorrect time this morning [Wednesday April 24].
Ashfordian said:
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!
It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Word saladIt doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Hoodwinked
Allowed their Government to control them with fear
Head in the sand approach
Deny how they were controlled
....of course being so enlightened you believe by patronising any rational viewpoint win you prizes. Once again you're wrong, and the irony of your calling anyone else Hoodwinked is completely lost on you...
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Sorry to hear that.I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
RSTurboPaul said:
Notch 8 said:
There’s no point in linking the article as there’s nothing in it about that last line.
It wouldn’t surprise me though if it did the rounds on X.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/big-ben-c...It wouldn’t surprise me though if it did the rounds on X.
Standard said:
Engineers were drafted in to fix Westminster's famous Big Ben clock after it stopped on Wednesday morning.
An incorrect number of bongs also sounded at the wrong time when the Elizabeth Tower clock appeared to stop for about an hour at 9am.
Big Ben’s iconic bongs rang out at 10:06am instead of on the hour.
A House of Commons spokesman said: “We are aware that the clock dials on the Elizabeth Tower were temporarily displaying the incorrect time this morning [Wednesday April 24].
An incorrect number of bongs also sounded at the wrong time when the Elizabeth Tower clock appeared to stop for about an hour at 9am.
Big Ben’s iconic bongs rang out at 10:06am instead of on the hour.
A House of Commons spokesman said: “We are aware that the clock dials on the Elizabeth Tower were temporarily displaying the incorrect time this morning [Wednesday April 24].
Wake up people.
bodhi said:
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Flat earth, the lot. The lockdowns affected some people really badly. I’m just glad I was an essential worker, and was kept busy. I couldn’t imagine being cooped up at home 24/7.
We've got a Grade A nutcase on one of our local FB pages. Really needs to be locked up for his own good.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/793173637935944/po...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/793173637935944/po...
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