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I don’t know if IR35 has killed off contracting or not…yet….
I get about 3 emails a day with roles of one description or another. Now the agencies are making a big thing of “its outside IR35!...” . If the work is inside, sometimes it’s not even mentioned. I know some companies have made a substantial effort to get their contracts outside IR35.
Some of the rates for specialist defence work are now at £100+/hr. An ex work colleague of mine went onto an MOD site as contract engineering manager level last year at £100/hr. He would have been quite happy to remain on £70/hr but outside IR35. But the MOD being the MOD, said this wasn’t possible so he said “in that case – it has be £100/hr” - Needless to say he is paying generously into his pension…. This rate caused ripples in the contracting world…
Another ex-work colleague has gone back to a prior place and asked for an IR35 friendly contract, which their legal and HR people baulked at (read refused) until the MD told them their actions would be a career limiting move if they didn’t start creating IR35 friendly contracts for the contractors. I don’t know how true this is.
Another mate works at a little software company, and they have had work follow the contractors from a large organisation which said “staff or inside IR35” to theirs which is just 9 of them, and they can be outside IR35…
It’s all early days right now, and I think that it will be a constant battle between switched-on companies and contractors on one side wanting it to go away, outside IR35, and HMRC gradually tightening the net to get them all inside. Then HMRC will go after the genuinely self-employed.
Good to hear about the bearing monitoring technology above. This was PhD research stuff when I was at Cranfield, but that was 28 years ago. One of my tutors was heavily involved in the signal processing analysis. The Civil Aviation Authority was contributing handsomely for the research, as helicopter gearbox failures were an issue.
I get about 3 emails a day with roles of one description or another. Now the agencies are making a big thing of “its outside IR35!...” . If the work is inside, sometimes it’s not even mentioned. I know some companies have made a substantial effort to get their contracts outside IR35.
Some of the rates for specialist defence work are now at £100+/hr. An ex work colleague of mine went onto an MOD site as contract engineering manager level last year at £100/hr. He would have been quite happy to remain on £70/hr but outside IR35. But the MOD being the MOD, said this wasn’t possible so he said “in that case – it has be £100/hr” - Needless to say he is paying generously into his pension…. This rate caused ripples in the contracting world…
Another ex-work colleague has gone back to a prior place and asked for an IR35 friendly contract, which their legal and HR people baulked at (read refused) until the MD told them their actions would be a career limiting move if they didn’t start creating IR35 friendly contracts for the contractors. I don’t know how true this is.
Another mate works at a little software company, and they have had work follow the contractors from a large organisation which said “staff or inside IR35” to theirs which is just 9 of them, and they can be outside IR35…
It’s all early days right now, and I think that it will be a constant battle between switched-on companies and contractors on one side wanting it to go away, outside IR35, and HMRC gradually tightening the net to get them all inside. Then HMRC will go after the genuinely self-employed.
Good to hear about the bearing monitoring technology above. This was PhD research stuff when I was at Cranfield, but that was 28 years ago. One of my tutors was heavily involved in the signal processing analysis. The Civil Aviation Authority was contributing handsomely for the research, as helicopter gearbox failures were an issue.
Bobberoo99 said:
T6 vanman said:
Bobberoo99 said:
To answer your initial question, earlies adds 10% and lates 20 25%, overtime is paid at time and a half. only for the first 2 hours
One of our T/Ls was caning the O/T and on shift, so £15.13 p/h + T/L rate of 17% + late shift allowance of 20% and then around 20hrs a week O/T, in the 19/20 tax year he hit £53k. 
Of course we'll not discuss the redundancy coming in two~three months
T6 vanman said:
Bobberoo99 said:
T6 vanman said:
Bobberoo99 said:
To answer your initial question, earlies adds 10% and lates 20 25%, overtime is paid at time and a half. only for the first 2 hours
One of our T/Ls was caning the O/T and on shift, so £15.13 p/h + T/L rate of 17% + late shift allowance of 20% and then around 20hrs a week O/T, in the 19/20 tax year he hit £53k. Of course we'll not discuss the redundancy coming in two~three months
lemansky said:
Forgive me for the "I'm an engineer..." thing the other week, but does anyone have suggestions about recruitment in Scotland?
Graduated 2020, MEng, currently on a short-term contract with a big rail company in the North West.
Looking to return to Glasgow, most enthusiastic about renewable energies.
He - our youngest - will be very peeved if he finds out I've posted this but he's banging his head off a wall with recruiting firms, I feel.
Not expecting job offers - ha! - but any pointers in the right direction would be very welcome.
Apply to Oil and gas firms plus subsea construction firms in aberdeen as they are all beginning to look at transitioning to renewables plus they pay well. Technipfmc / Subsea7 / Boskalis. Subsea 7 I believe have an office in Glasgow too.Graduated 2020, MEng, currently on a short-term contract with a big rail company in the North West.
Looking to return to Glasgow, most enthusiastic about renewable energies.
He - our youngest - will be very peeved if he finds out I've posted this but he's banging his head off a wall with recruiting firms, I feel.
Not expecting job offers - ha! - but any pointers in the right direction would be very welcome.
Bobberoo99 said:
Sorry to hear that mate, what area do you do failure analysis in?
Automotive .... but to be honest .. I'll be glad to change to driving a van delivering the wrong shopping to stay at home housewives 
Mrs T6 (whilst not S@H) believes I already exhibit the skillset for this new career path
T6 vanman said:
Bobberoo99 said:
Sorry to hear that mate, what area do you do failure analysis in?
Automotive .... but to be honest .. I'll be glad to change to driving a van delivering the wrong shopping to stay at home housewives Mrs T6 (whilst not S@H) believes I already exhibit the skillset for this new career path
Love your sense of humour!!!bucksmanuk said:
I don’t know if IR35 has killed off contracting or not…yet….
I get about 3 emails a day with roles of one description or another. Now the agencies are making a big thing of “its outside IR35!...” . If the work is inside, sometimes it’s not even mentioned. I know some companies have made a substantial effort to get their contracts outside IR35.
As I'm.not actually looking for a contract at the moment I I get about 3 emails a day with roles of one description or another. Now the agencies are making a big thing of “its outside IR35!...” . If the work is inside, sometimes it’s not even mentioned. I know some companies have made a substantial effort to get their contracts outside IR35.
I make a point of emailing a reply which just says
"Rate? Location? Inside or outside?"
So far 50% get no reply and 50% get the response, "If you are interested send your CV"
To which I've been responding. How would I know if I'm interested, with having the answer to my 3 questions?
To which 80% get no reply and 20% get <£32 per hour, location too far to travel daily, and inside IR35.
To which I have responded with "Good luck, but it's too little, too far away, with a contract that suggests your client should just employ a permie"
Obviously they never take you off their mailing list.
jet_noise said:
markcoznottz said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but are there bearing quality issues nowadays. Had to reject some skf bearings recently.
You tease. How to to wind up an engineer!Why did you reject them, why did it happen and what's being done to fix?
8D report opened in 24hrs please
markcoznottz said:
jet_noise said:
markcoznottz said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but are there bearing quality issues nowadays. Had to reject some skf bearings recently.
You tease. How to to wind up an engineer!Why did you reject them, why did it happen and what's being done to fix?
8D report opened in 24hrs please
GroundEffect said:
For pay questions, I am:
- 33yo (10 years experience)
- Chartered with IMechE
- Automotive Senior Engineer
- £55-60k range
- Based just outside London (which obviously will have a small boost in pay)
Very similar to me, also a senior automotive engineer, one year older, one year more experience and £60-65k ish Midlands.- 33yo (10 years experience)
- Chartered with IMechE
- Automotive Senior Engineer
- £55-60k range
- Based just outside London (which obviously will have a small boost in pay)
vonuber said:
OpulentBob said:
I'm a senior engineer, chartered civils, and £80k is a dream unless you contract. Which was easy enough a few years ago but IR35 has kind of killed off since.
Hmm, depends how much management rubbish you take on - which is a sad indictment of this country unfortunately. Technical ability is not valued; it's all about sending emails about not hitting utilisation targets or coming up with another daft rebrand strategy.
mikewilliams79 said:
markcoznottz said:
Sounds like the civil service. I was reading Cummings blog, all they are concerned with is who was cc’d on email.
got a link to article please?https://youtu.be/GNaWPV5l4j4
markcoznottz said:
Thank you - watched 10mins or so but so many things sound like organizations I have worked in
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