Anyone into trainers/sneakers? (Vol. 3)

Anyone into trainers/sneakers? (Vol. 3)

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shirt

22,612 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th April
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Comfy shoe the Bermuda if a little odd looking. I got the purple suede ones. Also great value given current originals price gouging

Regbuser

3,533 posts

36 months

Thursday 25th April
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M1K3 said:
What is a suede Samoa?
Ugly brother to the samba (imho)


shirt

22,612 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th April
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Samoa is a suede Guam, which itself seems to be a Milano with a foam midsole. The Milano is a decent shoe

ChemicalChaos

10,401 posts

161 months

Thursday 25th April
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First foray onto here, my new girlfriend is quite the trainer fan (previously, a bit of a collector!) and has encouraged me to wear boots less and trainers more in the summer.

She's just bought a pair of these rhinestone-studded Kurt Geiger trainers which I can imagine may be a bit marmite, but definitely suited her smile




As for me, I've dug out these Converse that I've had for years but don't wear very often (they can rub slightly if worn all day). Never seen another pair over here, they came from the now-closed "premium outlet" in San Francisco where you could choose any combo of style, colour, design and eyelets/laces. I call them the "Fortunate Son" edition hehe





Something very different here though - whilst browsing an outlet mall at the weekend, we spotted that Converse now appear to be a properly lined/padded "trainer" style shoe - eliminating my big comfort-related beef with them. Tried them on and bought them, not had a chance to properly wear them yet though



phil_cardiff

7,098 posts

209 months

Thursday 25th April
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ChemicalChaos said:
First foray onto here, my new girlfriend is quite the trainer fan (previously, a bit of a collector!) and has encouraged me to wear boots less and trainers more in the summer.

She's just bought a pair of these rhinestone-studded Kurt Geiger trainers which I can imagine may be a bit marmite, but definitely suited her smile




As for me, I've dug out these Converse that I've had for years but don't wear very often (they can rub slightly if worn all day). Never seen another pair over here, they came from the now-closed "premium outlet" in San Francisco where you could choose any combo of style, colour, design and eyelets/laces. I call them the "Fortunate Son" edition hehe





Something very different here though - whilst browsing an outlet mall at the weekend, we spotted that Converse now appear to be a properly lined/padded "trainer" style shoe - eliminating my big comfort-related beef with them. Tried them on and bought them, not had a chance to properly wear them yet though

I can't wear Converse, they destroy my little toes. Good to know they might be doing a pair that is wearable for me.

ChemicalChaos

10,401 posts

161 months

Thursday 25th April
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phil_cardiff said:
I can't wear Converse, they destroy my little toes. Good to know they might be doing a pair that is wearable for me.
That was the problem for me - the little toe rubs against the inside of the shoe (as my feet are quite wide and converse are quite narrow).

I'll report back on how these trainer-ised ones feel!

Ryyy

1,501 posts

36 months

Thursday 25th April
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Converse have done some padded ones for years, did some roll over top varaints too at some point. Converse low used to be my go to throw on summer shoe a good few years ago... all white of course wink

joshcowin

6,812 posts

177 months

Thursday 25th April
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Regbuser said:
Ugly brother to the samba (imho)

You are incorrect wink

The samoa looks decent with shorts.

Also there is the 'island series samoa' and the 'samoa vintage' I am referring to the samoa vintage as that's the OG that dates back to the 70's

5pen

1,891 posts

207 months

Thursday 25th April
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shirt said:
Samoa is a suede Guam, which itself seems to be a Milano with a foam midsole. The Milano is a decent shoe
Samoa is a different design of upper compared to Guam and Milano isn't it? The suede toe-cap protection is different - it extends further around the toe-box and back to the lace eyelets on the latter two.

Guam has been available with both suede and leather uppers too and as well as Milano, it is similar to All Team (formerly a leather football trainer known as All Black until, I guess, some Kiwis objected - now available in both leather and suede in various colours). As you say Milano also seems to be the same upper but with a cheaper sole unit.

To further complicate things, I think the AS520 model also has a similar design of upper to Guam/Milano/All Team, but uses a sole unit like that of Guam!


Edited by 5pen on Thursday 25th April 16:27

g4ry13

17,021 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th April
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CountyAFC said:
g4ry13 said:
CountyAFC said:
I'm debating getting the Jordan 4 Sulfur.

I'm usually very decisive but can't make my mind up on them.
They're in women's sizing, not sure what size your foot is?

We also have the Industrial / military blue coming out soon if you're after a 4 and it's more appealing to you.
I'm a 9 so I can get them despite being womens sizes.
Just to come back to this, Offspring still seem to have them + there's a 10% promo code which works.

It takes the price down to a 'bargain' £171.


Greendubber

13,222 posts

204 months

Friday 26th April
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Ryyy said:
What do we think to the handball spezial?the new dunk?? Havent really seen the samba thats meant to be in but plenty of spezials yes
I like them, I've got a couple of pairs incoming for summer...






Carl_VivaEspana

12,233 posts

263 months

Friday 26th April
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all these flat trainers with no cushioning are giving me a sciatica flare up just looking at them.

BrabusMog

20,180 posts

187 months

Friday 26th April
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You’d be surprised, the Handball Spezial are actually quite comfy, I lace mine up with comically large bunny ears biggrin

TheJimi

25,012 posts

244 months

Friday 26th April
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Greendubber said:
These are awesome.

Tempted to get a pair and replace with pink flat laces.

joshcowin

6,812 posts

177 months

Saturday 27th April
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Carl_VivaEspana said:
all these flat trainers with no cushioning are giving me a sciatica flare up just looking at them.
They are really comfy, the handball spezial have great arch support. You will be surprised.

Ryyy

1,501 posts

36 months

Saturday 27th April
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Sacrificial night out shoes, wish me luckpaperbag

They ended up on several dancefloors last time i was out for a "few" drinks and theres actually a flaw where the sole meets the toebox so not too worried, will have to order another pair yes


shirt

22,612 posts

202 months

Saturday 27th April
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Also pub bound. Loving these, ignore the dad jeans! Also shows what I was on about re lacing


g4ry13

17,021 posts

256 months

Saturday 27th April
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Twisted laces! vomit

hehe

Carl_VivaEspana

12,233 posts

263 months

Saturday 27th April
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Ryyy said:
Sacrificial night out shoes, wish me luckpaperbag
RIP.

in your future, much sponge and laces in a sink I forsee......

Levin

2,029 posts

125 months

Saturday 27th April
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5pen said:
shirt said:
Samoa is a suede Guam, which itself seems to be a Milano with a foam midsole. The Milano is a decent shoe
Samoa is a different design of upper compared to Guam and Milano isn't it? The suede toe-cap protection is different - it extends further around the toe-box and back to the lace eyelets on the latter two.

Guam has been available with both suede and leather uppers too and as well as Milano, it is similar to All Team (formerly a leather football trainer known as All Black until, I guess, some Kiwis objected - now available in both leather and suede in various colours). As you say Milano also seems to be the same upper but with a cheaper sole unit.

To further complicate things, I think the AS520 model also has a similar design of upper to Guam/Milano/All Team, but uses a sole unit like that of Guam!


Edited by 5pen on Thursday 25th April 16:27
There's also Napoli, which has a virtually identical upper to the Milano with the addition of D-rings. From what I've seen online, Napoli was a 1983 style (no source for this as it's from a picture in an eBay listing, unfortunately). If we take Milano as late-1970s and All Black as circa 1981, I expect that the company was getting its money's worth. If Milano was the first style to use that upper, it makes sense that later shoes became more advanced. Napoli has a different sole pattern, for one.

Guam is interesting because it was originally a Japanese exclusive release. It shares the same sole unit as the Milano, and I can find no definite release date other than '1980s'. The size? blog about the AS 240 indicates that the AS 500 was a nod to the Milano, but looking closely there's additional stitching around the collar of the shoe which might point to it being a slightly different upper.

The AS 520, as a SPZL homage to the AS 500, might be slightly different again. I actually dug back through Gary Aspden's Instagram posts and found discussion about the toe guard. According to his Instagram, the toe guard isn't as tall as on the Samoa. However, the AS 520 does have the same outsole as the Samoa.

I've never held a Guam to be certain, but I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that it had the Milano sole unit. If the blue midsole is foam and not solid rubber, it all sounds like another advancement applied to an upper which had been in use for a few years by the time of Guam's release. All of this has made me want to know more about the Samoa, because it absolutely does look to have an EVA foam midsole but I know very little about its history. I've never owned a pair. Meanwhile, the AS 520 SPZL uses the same sole as the Samoa, but has a channel cut out of the midsole that the Samoa doesn't, leaving me wondering if that's an AS 500 era touch connecting the design back to the same channel on the Milano's solid feeling rubber.

All of this is complicated by the fact that the hardcore collectors who have catalogue collections don't really digitise them or make them an open source. I can see why from a value standpoint, but it makes trying to pin down details on 40-50 year old trainers only slightly harder. smile