Obesity, is it really an illness or a lifestyle choice?

[otolith]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

I think it's a bit more than that. Humans also have a very long after-birth caring necessity. If you procreate and die whilst giving birth, if thr child has no other care it'll die. There are many reasons why we ought to live into later life.

Quite so, we're not salmon and there is some ability to influence the survival of even grandchildren. But the return on post reproductive longevity and health is of diminishing fitness value, and these things are almost always a trade-off. Particularly women, whose fertility diminishes much more rapidly, but I suspect that the proportion of men whose ability to run into their dotage confers increased reproductive success is an edge case.

[eldar]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

I think it's a bit more than that. Humans also have a very long after-birth caring necessity. If you procreate and die whilst giving birth, if thr child has no other care it'll die. There are many reasons why we ought to live into later life.

In that case the space those deaths leave may be filled by someone better fitted to the situation. Better adapted genes survive.

[popeyewhite]

otolith said:

I can if you want, but it appears to be a complete non sequitur.

You have asked how the human adaptations to being able to run will change after procreating. Clearly they won't.

The point I replied to said "The human body is kinda designed to not fall apart if you run a lot".

The selection pressure is for it to last long enough to pass your genes on. It's not "designed" to do anything in old age.

And it's not designed to start falling apart once people have procreated. More random otolith gibberish.

[HustleRussell]

anonymous said:

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A life well lived

NWTony said:

Harder to kidnap.

More likely to survive being shot or stabbed.

Bigger and slower moving target- more likely to get hit?

[otolith]

popeyewhite said:

And it's not designed to start falling apart once people have procreated. More random otolith gibberish.

It isn’t “designed” at all, hence the scare quotes. It’s evolved, and it hasn’t evolved to do things that don’t increase fitness.

That’s fitness in the Darwinian sense before you go off on some other tangent.

Quite how you interpret “Or at least, not until you've managed to procreate successfully” in response to “The human body is kinda designed to not fall apart if you run a lot, if you think about it.” as “designed to fall apart” is beyond me.

[popeyewhite]

otolith said:

It isn’t “designed” at all, hence the scare quotes. It’s evolved, and it hasn’t evolved to do things that don’t increase fitness.

That’s fitness in the Darwinian sense before you go off on some other tangent.

Quite how you interpret “Or at least, not until you've managed to procreate successfully” in response to “The human body is kinda designed to not fall apart if you run a lot, if you think about it.” as “designed to fall apart” is beyond me.

Yawn

[chemistry]

anonymous said:

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Agree. The NHS should be free at the point of use, but not at the point of abuse. People like this (aided by their enablers) should have to pay for their care/treatment.

[lrdisco]

keo said:

lrdisco said:

Absolutely but what about all the runners damaging their knees running? Walking gives the same exercise value without the strain on the knees.
So let’s refuse runners access to the nhs.

Running has many positives to health though (it also actually strengthens knees)

What positives does being fat bring?

Oh an answer with a question.
Throughout my life I have played semi pro rugby union, starting at 6 years old and finishing at 47.
Trained for and ran a marathon. Averaged over 75k a week on a treadmill and on the streets.
Boxed. As in a boxing ring. Not boxercise. Against another large man. With all the associated training. Lots and lots of Road and ring work.
Also layer many many thousands of bricks and blocks as a bricklayer.
So now I struggle to walk a bit at 50 is it a lifestyle choice or am I just unlucky?

My knees are absolutely fked beyond words.

[Patrick Star]

anonymous said:

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Fell off the horse??

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

chemistry said:

anonymous said:

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Agree. The NHS should be free at the point of use, but not at the point of abuse. People like this (aided by their enablers) should have to pay for their care/treatment.

The NHS won't do certain operations on the obese, largely (excuse the pun) due to risk of death with a general anaesthetic.

[Oakey]

Can we take a second to discuss the ridiculousness of 'vanity sizing'?

I'm a 32" waist. I know I'm a 32" waist because I've fking measured it. Yet if I buy jeans / trousers in a 32" waist, I could literally fit another person in there with me. If you measure the waist of those pants, in reality they're more like a 36" waist. So I have to buy jeans, etc in a 28" waist. Why are we pandering to this nonsense? It's as mental as the Hugo Boss chinos I saw on an online retailer recently that were described as 'slim fit' yet were only available in a 48"-58" waist. Yeah, good luck getting them on, fatso!

[MC Bodge]

Oakey said:

Can we take a second to discuss the ridiculousness of 'vanity sizing'?

Women's sizes have grown significantly

[Gompo]

Oakey said:

Can we take a second to discuss the ridiculousness of 'vanity sizing'?

32" are a very tight squeeze for me but sometimes doable; which perhaps make the next bit even worse..

My wife bought me a cheap t-shirt a while back from Morrison's, just for house/gardening wear of course. 'It's an 'S' but it looked big enough' was her reasoning; she was right - but at 6'3 I'm a little surprised to be fitting into a small sized t-shirt.

[MC Bodge]

Sizes have recently grown. It makes sense for non-numeric/measured sizes.

As a lean man of 80Kg and 6', often being a "large" seems a bit of a misnomer.

[AmgMercedes]

MC Bodge said:

Sizes have recently grown. It makes sense for non-numeric/measured sizes.

As a lean man of 80Kg and 6', often being a "large" seems a bit of a misnomer.

Yup I weighed myself today 13 stone 3lbs and 6’3” and I’m now in medium t shirts, large are far too big so sizes deffo getting bigger as I always was a large and I’ve been the same ish weight for 30 yrs

[rallye101]

Hands up ...I've done 2.5stone in the last 2.5years via lockdown etc....
Boredom etc etc.... hard to shift but Britain's got more porky from what I can see....

[fiatpower]

rallye101 said:

Hands up ...I've done 2.5stone in the last 2.5years via lockdown etc....
Boredom etc etc.... hard to shift but Britain's got more porky from what I can see....

I must have been the only person in Britain to lose weight during lockdown! I lost about 2.5 stone in 2020. Since going back to work my weight has crept back up so work makes me fat clearly.

[glazbagun]

fiatpower said:

rallye101 said:

Hands up ...I've done 2.5stone in the last 2.5years via lockdown etc....
Boredom etc etc.... hard to shift but Britain's got more porky from what I can see....

I must have been the only person in Britain to lose weight during lockdown! I lost about 2.5 stone in 2020. Since going back to work my weight has crept back up so work makes me fat clearly.

Lockdown was great for me. Ran every other day ate better. Came back off furlough the fittest I'd been in years. Now I'm the fatest I've ever been. :/

[bongtom]

Regarding exercise and injuries. I have a mate who did Parkour and was doing so for about 15 years, after getting into it when he lived in France. He is in his early 30s now and blew his knee out about 5 years previously doing one of his insane running away jumps.

Now he hobbles about like an old man. He can't even jump off a kerb.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

bongtom said:

Regarding exercise and injuries. I have a mate who did Parkour and was doing so for about 15 years, after getting into it when he lived in France. He is in his early 30s now and blew his knee out about 5 years previously doing one of his insane running away jumps.

Now he hobbles about like an old man. He can't even jump off a kerb.

That's sad but what should he have done?

I went to A&E not so long back and the triage nurse said my injury was self inflicted.

Sorry, should I just sit, walk sadetory and then when I'm in my 40s start a regime of anti depressants and heart etc pills instead?

I'd rather hobble at speed up a mountain than glide around a shopping centre.