Private schools, times a changing?
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dimots said:
M1AGM said:
If thats not satire then you take the prize for the biggest chip. How do you know that most parents are business owners, and how would they be dodging taxes to pay school fees? And how do you know the disposable incomes of everyone? Remarkable prejudice. Are you Angela?
Old stats, but here you go:https://www.pepf.co.uk/fact-finder/facts-and-figur...
The large majority (around 87%) of pupils at private schools come from parents who are business owners, or have professional and managerial backgrounds. The proportions have not changed much for a long time.
The below table shows the proportions of pupils according to family background.
FAMILY BACKGROUND 2004 2014
Managerial & professional 77% 78%
Intermediate occupations 5% 6%
Small Employers 7% 9%
Routine and manual occupations 6% 4%
Not working/unknown 5% 3%
dimots said:
Sway said:
So how much do you voluntarily send to HMRC each month?
I reduce my tax bill to the minimum because f
k the Tories.I think I can guess how you managed your tax position under the Labour government too...
dimots said:
Sway said:
Very, very big difference between 'majority business owners dodging tax to send Timmy to the alma mater' and lumping together managerial/professional (so vast majority will be PAYE) and a small percentage of actual business owners...
How do you know?cheesejunkie said:
I'll let you enlighten me. I'll not say what I'm thinking whist you do but arrogant prick will be on the list of many other insults I've refused to use.
cheesejunkie said:
I have two Finish nieces and nephews, don't try and tell me I'm uninformed.
aeww 
cheesejunkie said:
how's your defence of others being disadvantaged through paying for your sprogs going?
I really meant it when I said you do need help.cheesejunkie said:
I know when to keep my mouth shut and am very capable of doing so
hmmm do you?cheesejunkie said:
No. I can quote a few suggesting that they're doing the world a service by seeing their kids to private schools.
Spot the difference or willing fully ignore it.
I see no evil, I see biased people.
> My problem with them doing it is not that they do it, it's that they try to say it's for my benefit. It isn't.Spot the difference or willing fully ignore it.
I see no evil, I see biased people.
So is it fair to say that you don't actually have a problem with anyone, since nobody has said they do it for your benefit?
dimots said:
Sway said:
So how much do you voluntarily send to HMRC each month?
I reduce my tax bill to the minimum because fk the Tories.You also wrote "The majority of private school parents are business owners". But you then amended that statement to become "business owners, or have professional and managerial backgrounds". There is quite a difference between a "business owner" and someone with a professional or managerial background.
Pathetic drivel.
Hereward said:
So you utilise tax mitigation yet you want to "tax rich people more, put that money into education, educate our nation better for the benefit of everyone". To quote your own drivel: "Perhaps there should be extra scrutiny of their tax affairs to prove that they are contributing enough?". But why do you actively avoid contributing "enough" to the nation?
You also wrote "The majority of private school parents are business owners". But you then amended that statement to become "business owners, or have professional and managerial backgrounds". There is quite a difference between a "business owner" and someone with a professional or managerial background.
Pathetic drivel.
I’ll be voting labour. I’m all for more taxes as long as the Tories don’t get to spend it. I bet the majority of private school parents are business owners. Stats are inconclusive, got any?You also wrote "The majority of private school parents are business owners". But you then amended that statement to become "business owners, or have professional and managerial backgrounds". There is quite a difference between a "business owner" and someone with a professional or managerial background.
Pathetic drivel.
ooid said:
hmmm do you?You got me, I'm not always nice. I don't feel the need to be among some views, I am nice at other times on other threads because I share opinions but find this one a struggle.
Yes and I know what an object ID is and wonder if that's where your username comes from. If it isn't I'll leave my snmp alerts to someone else.
"Hmm" all you want, I'll not worry.
If you really meant it when you suggested I need care tell me what care I need and tell me if you're prepared to pay for it or leave me to an underfunded system, one that's underfunded when people want private education to be funded.
cheesejunkie said:
Never really thought about it so I'm answering on the hoof.
As mentioned I think VAT is regressive. But yes I'd probably not have a problem also applying VAT to private health care. But I've never thought about it enough to really have a strong opinion.
My wife works in the NHS and is very against private health care on a point of principal. But she's on my work private health care policy and has availed of it to skip waiting lists for a potentially life threatening but thankfully not problem. I've used it too, but twice in 15 years, I've paid for it the whole time. I'll happily take that safety net and will happily be called a hypocrite. My principals end when it comes to defence of the family and I know some of the posters who I disagree with on here are the same. Just don't tell me it's an altruistic position when it's a selfish one.
Cheesejunkie, I didn’t think your post got enough attention. As mentioned I think VAT is regressive. But yes I'd probably not have a problem also applying VAT to private health care. But I've never thought about it enough to really have a strong opinion.
My wife works in the NHS and is very against private health care on a point of principal. But she's on my work private health care policy and has availed of it to skip waiting lists for a potentially life threatening but thankfully not problem. I've used it too, but twice in 15 years, I've paid for it the whole time. I'll happily take that safety net and will happily be called a hypocrite. My principals end when it comes to defence of the family and I know some of the posters who I disagree with on here are the same. Just don't tell me it's an altruistic position when it's a selfish one.
You and Clapham GT3 are actually on the same page … he wants to use private education to get the best for his family and you’ve jumped the nhs queue twice in fifteen years in defence of the family (your phrase, and to be clear I’m suggesting those doctors could have been working for the public good, instead).
I have two kids -I only need to send them to school once each and they have, collectively 17 years to go, so would private be ok? Would be two occasions, want best for them. Etc. I do want to preserve my centre left ideals.
Austin_Metro said:
Cheesejunkie, I didn’t think your post got enough attention.
You and Clapham GT3 are actually on the same page … he wants to use private education to get the best for his family and you’ve jumped the nhs queue twice in fifteen years in defence of the family (your phrase, and to be clear I’m suggesting those doctors could have been working for the public good, instead).
I have two kids -I only need to send them to school once each and they have, collectively 17 years to go, so would private be ok? Would be two occasions, want best for them. Etc. I do want to preserve my centre left ideals.
You don't understand the emotional distress you're putting me through by suggesting I agree with GT3. I do, but as a lefty liberal free thinker I'm not supposed to. You and Clapham GT3 are actually on the same page … he wants to use private education to get the best for his family and you’ve jumped the nhs queue twice in fifteen years in defence of the family (your phrase, and to be clear I’m suggesting those doctors could have been working for the public good, instead).
I have two kids -I only need to send them to school once each and they have, collectively 17 years to go, so would private be ok? Would be two occasions, want best for them. Etc. I do want to preserve my centre left ideals.
Slightly more seriously, yes I play the system and chose whether to support it. When I lose that argument I'll still play the system or the cards put in front of me. It's a cliched thing to say but I don't hate the player I hate the game. But if said player supports the game I might get personal.
Look after your children, I've no problem with that. Defend a system that allows you to pay your way to better outcomes than those without the means, I do have a problem with claiming that's altruistic. Use the system because it's there I don't. My disagreements are more with the defenders than the users. If some just admitted they want to be able to pay their way to success I'd find them more honest than some of the nonsense they come out with,
Puzzles said:
Maybe things have changed but in my experience the majority of parents aren’t actually that well off, they make sacrifices to send their children to independent schools, or it comes from grandparents.
I’m not including the top independent schools or foreign pupils.
Things haven’t changed. Even the idiots claiming the opposite are still around.I’m not including the top independent schools or foreign pupils.
cheesejunkie said:
I do have a problem with claiming that's altruistic.
We know. You've told us. Repeatedly (60 posts on this thread and counting). Perhaps you'd be good enough to quote a few of them because most of us aren't claiming that.You're tilting at windmills and tying yourself up in linguistical knots doing so.
PS. Parent's evening last night. Daughter is doing exceptionally well given her difficulties. Catering was top notch too. Money well spent.
dimots said:
I’ll be voting labour. I’m all for more taxes as long as the Tories don’t get to spend it. I bet the majority of private school parents are business owners. Stats are inconclusive, got any?
I seriously doubt they are, especially as many of them are in London/SE where there is a much higher percentage of highly paid PAYE work. Of the people I know sending their kids/planning to all are employees, including myself.
EmBe said:
We know. You've told us. Repeatedly (60 posts on this thread and counting). Perhaps you'd be good enough to quote a few of them because most of us aren't claiming that.
You're tilting at windmills and tying yourself up in linguistical knots doing so.
PS. Parent's evening last night. Daughter is doing exceptionally well given her difficulties. Catering was top notch too. Money well spent.
He's even admitted that nobody has actually said this and it's all in his head. Doesn't let it stop him making his point.You're tilting at windmills and tying yourself up in linguistical knots doing so.
PS. Parent's evening last night. Daughter is doing exceptionally well given her difficulties. Catering was top notch too. Money well spent.
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