Andrew Tate - The Real World
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
I follow Andrew Tate on FB.
To my mind he makes a lot of interesting points.
I think a lot of people dislike him without actually listening to what he has to say.
He's extreme - you have to be to get noticed now - but there's some stuff there that resonates with me for sure.
Go ahead and tell us what resonates? To my mind he makes a lot of interesting points.
I think a lot of people dislike him without actually listening to what he has to say.
He's extreme - you have to be to get noticed now - but there's some stuff there that resonates with me for sure.
I have heard enough of what he has to say though thanks, and I dislike him because of what I've heard him say, and the fact he's a disgusting rapist and violent towards women. But hey you do you.
dobbo_ said:
Thankyou4calling said:
I follow Andrew Tate on FB.
To my mind he makes a lot of interesting points.
I think a lot of people dislike him without actually listening to what he has to say.
He's extreme - you have to be to get noticed now - but there's some stuff there that resonates with me for sure.
Go ahead and tell us what resonates? To my mind he makes a lot of interesting points.
I think a lot of people dislike him without actually listening to what he has to say.
He's extreme - you have to be to get noticed now - but there's some stuff there that resonates with me for sure.
I have heard enough of what he has to say though thanks, and I dislike him because of what I've heard him say, and the fact he's a disgusting rapist and violent towards women. But hey you do you.
There's some good stuff on goal setting, overcoming adversity, positive thinking and physical fitness.
He's achieved a hell of a lot and even the setbacks he's had recently haven't had him down or feeling sorry for himself.
I fully understand many don't like him. Totally get that.
But too many are "Woe is me " types and blame there situation on others.
He doesn't. He takes control and believes in himself.
He's achieved a hell of a lot and even the setbacks he's had recently haven't had him down or feeling sorry for himself.
I fully understand many don't like him. Totally get that.
But too many are "Woe is me " types and blame there situation on others.
He doesn't. He takes control and believes in himself.
Condi said:
Our own species (homo erectus) only became dominant because it killed off other forms of evolved apes, after doing a bit of inter-breeding. Go back not that far (1600's, only 500 years) and there were tribes in NZ who fought each other and kept heads as drinking bowls.
Errr, not so sure about you now, but my family and I are Homo sapiens rather than Homo erectus, which appeared around 2 million years ago, gave rise to a couple of intermediary species before Homo sapiens, and finally went extinct about 100k years ago. If you're certain that you're member of an extinct species, I know an archeologist who'd be really interested to meet you... 
joshcowin said:
I think we are all giving teenage boys far too much credit, they don't think deeply about anything, they see a macho man with girls cars and money who says some entertaining stuff that makes them laugh.
The Tate brothers are everything that is wrong with social media as are the only fans girls making what they do glamorous as are the political channels seeking to polarize views along with the racial divide that has opened up due to social media. Its a curse really isn't it, remove it and there is no Tate, no mainstream extremism, no normalizing the objectification of women and their bodies to millions of teens.
In a world where everything goes the authorities have lost the ability to deal with these monsters!
The Tate brothers are everything that is wrong with social media as are the only fans girls making what they do glamorous as are the political channels seeking to polarize views along with the racial divide that has opened up due to social media. Its a curse really isn't it, remove it and there is no Tate, no mainstream extremism, no normalizing the objectification of women and their bodies to millions of teens.
In a world where everything goes the authorities have lost the ability to deal with these monsters!
QJumper said:
Dont know how old you are, but I feel the same. The difference though is that when I was at school I had a father, and was mostly taught by male teachers, and so had an abundance of healthy male role models to learn from. Today though there are far more kids without a dad, who are mostly taught by female teachers and, if they ever get into serious enough trouble, will most likley be dealt with by female social workers.
For a certain proportion of kids, often at the less privileged end of society, there's a lack of accessible male role models, which allows room for bad influences to fill that void. That applies as much to girls as it does to boys. The issue here is not that young boys are too stupid to spot such unhealthy and predatory behaviour, but that they don't have a sufficient framework from which they can make comparisons, or pursue healthy alternatives.
I get what you're saying but, if a young girl, without such a healthy background, was influenced by someone iike Tate, would you feel that she should have known better, because you did, or would you feel that she'd been groomed and exploited because of her vulnerabilities? Personally I'd veer towards the latter, but would extend that view to boys as well.
I don't believe it's possible to rid the world of the likes of Tate, especially given the nature of technology, and no amount of hand wringing will change that. What we can do though is do more to try and understand the problem, and then work to create an environment for children in which there's less room for unhealthy options to exist, and healthier alternatves for them to aspire to and pursue.
Uncontrollable social media, lack of role models, and it's easy to see how society has got to where it is in the last 10-15 years people like Andrew Tate and Putin, polarising every aspect of life from politics to shopping habits. The internet was a fantastic creation for exchange of knowledge and freedom; however, it turns out that it's also a more powerful weapon than the nuclear bomb. For a certain proportion of kids, often at the less privileged end of society, there's a lack of accessible male role models, which allows room for bad influences to fill that void. That applies as much to girls as it does to boys. The issue here is not that young boys are too stupid to spot such unhealthy and predatory behaviour, but that they don't have a sufficient framework from which they can make comparisons, or pursue healthy alternatives.
I get what you're saying but, if a young girl, without such a healthy background, was influenced by someone iike Tate, would you feel that she should have known better, because you did, or would you feel that she'd been groomed and exploited because of her vulnerabilities? Personally I'd veer towards the latter, but would extend that view to boys as well.
I don't believe it's possible to rid the world of the likes of Tate, especially given the nature of technology, and no amount of hand wringing will change that. What we can do though is do more to try and understand the problem, and then work to create an environment for children in which there's less room for unhealthy options to exist, and healthier alternatves for them to aspire to and pursue.
Sheets Tabuer said:
AKjr said:
paulguitar said:
Well, at the risk of invoking Godwin's law, to be fair, Hitler was good with dogs.
He had his doctor test poison on Blondi.....Tate has his goal setting, positive thinking and triumph over adversity to offset his sex trafficking, pimping and emotional abuse.
Both had such amazing self confidence that not only did they brag about it, at least one of them packaged it all up into a lifestyle training enterprise!
All the punters had to do was ignore the sex abuse bits and they were able to carry-on doing exactly what they wanted.
Anyway- still looking forward to the non-rapey strong male role model links as its entirely possible that as a bloke closer to retirement than birth, ive misunderstood this chap, his brother and their aims.
grumbledoak said:
eldar said:
Just ignore allegations, you think? All of them?
If you dig enough you might find some morons who thought Gary Glitter was hard done by.
All of them, no. But those which were "previously dismissed by the Crown Prosecution Service"? Probably yes.If you dig enough you might find some morons who thought Gary Glitter was hard done by.
Throwing mud around in the hope that some sticks sadly is the level I expect of our government, but it shouldn't be.
ts and giggles.captain_cynic said:
Hoofy said:
ZedLeg said:
If you see your kids get into this kind of patter talk to them.
I don't have kids so maybe I'm wrong but wondering if they're raving about Tate by the time you notice it, it's perhaps too late?How would you get them to move away from this kind of rot?
The best way is to have a relationship with your child where they can feel comfortable talking about things that are bothering them. Typically not the domain of the "my way or the highway, I pay the bills so do as I say" parent.
I'd wager that, that kind of parent produces the kind of person who thinks the likes of Tate "have a point".
As for society, how do we try to steer people away from other extremist demagogues?
Re society, I guess the Prevent programme but by that point isn't it too late, too?
eldar said:
grumbledoak said:
eldar said:
Just ignore allegations, you think? All of them?
If you dig enough you might find some morons who thought Gary Glitter was hard done by.
All of them, no. But those which were "previously dismissed by the Crown Prosecution Service"? Probably yes.If you dig enough you might find some morons who thought Gary Glitter was hard done by.
Throwing mud around in the hope that some sticks sadly is the level I expect of our government, but it shouldn't be.
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