Andrew Tate - The Real World
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Chimune said:
Thankyou4calling said:
There's some good stuff on goal setting, overcoming adversity, positive thinking and physical
Could you give some links or quotes please ? Tia.
t done. It's also part of how he lures in vulnerable young men.AceRockatansky said:
I haven't heard of sexual aggression to describe an offence. I notice they haven't used abuse, so can't involve touching and no mention of harassment so does that mean it was consented until they got in the bedroom and he got all angry.
fking hell. Consent can be withdrawn at any time. I really, really hope you know that.
QuickQuack said:
Uncontrollable social media, lack of role models, and it's easy to see how society has got to where it is in the last 10-15 years people like Andrew Tate and Putin, polarising every aspect of life from politics to shopping habits. The internet was a fantastic creation for exchange of knowledge and freedom; however, it turns out that it's also a more powerful weapon than the nuclear bomb.
Dr Phil says something about the industrial revolution being a huge turning point in peoples lives, before industrialization 80% of populations worked in physical jobs usually as a family unit. The biggest change in society since then is the smart phone which has had an even more dramatic effect on populations. The anxiety, depression and suicide rates have gone through the roof. Its not progress at all! joshcowin said:
Dr Phil says something about the industrial revolution being a huge turning point in peoples lives, before industrialization 80% of populations worked in physical jobs usually as a family unit. The biggest change in society since then is the smart phone which has had an even more dramatic effect on populations. The anxiety, depression and suicide rates have gone through the roof. Its not progress at all!
Where has the suicide rate gone through the roof?Definitely Not in the UK.
Thankyou4calling said:
joshcowin said:
Dr Phil says something about the industrial revolution being a huge turning point in peoples lives, before industrialization 80% of populations worked in physical jobs usually as a family unit. The biggest change in society since then is the smart phone which has had an even more dramatic effect on populations. The anxiety, depression and suicide rates have gone through the roof. Its not progress at all!
Where has the suicide rate gone through the roof?Definitely Not in the UK.
In my opinion a big impact on the current state of society is the absence of strong male role models, this can be linked directly to the breakdown of the family unit.
I know it is old fashioned but a family unit that stays together has a much greater chance of generating stable and balanced children to grow into stable, productive adults. That said I do also think that waiting until you are sure that you choose a partner that will be viable for the long term before having children together helps massively in this respect.
In the absence of good role models children will seek out other influences to fill this need and et viola people like tate gain an audience to be taken advantage of.
I know it is old fashioned but a family unit that stays together has a much greater chance of generating stable and balanced children to grow into stable, productive adults. That said I do also think that waiting until you are sure that you choose a partner that will be viable for the long term before having children together helps massively in this respect.
In the absence of good role models children will seek out other influences to fill this need and et viola people like tate gain an audience to be taken advantage of.
simon_harris said:
In my opinion a big impact on the current state of society is the absence of strong male role models, this can be linked directly to the breakdown of the family unit.
I know it is old fashioned but a family unit that stays together has a much greater chance of generating stable and balanced children to grow into stable, productive adults. That said I do also think that waiting until you are sure that you choose a partner that will be viable for the long term before having children together helps massively in this respect.
In the absence of good role models children will seek out other influences to fill this need and et viola people like tate gain an audience to be taken advantage of.
Do people consider Tate a role model?I know it is old fashioned but a family unit that stays together has a much greater chance of generating stable and balanced children to grow into stable, productive adults. That said I do also think that waiting until you are sure that you choose a partner that will be viable for the long term before having children together helps massively in this respect.
In the absence of good role models children will seek out other influences to fill this need and et viola people like tate gain an audience to be taken advantage of.
Or do they just buy into his self-improvement chat?
Louis Balfour said:
simon_harris said:
In my opinion a big impact on the current state of society is the absence of strong male role models, this can be linked directly to the breakdown of the family unit.
I know it is old fashioned but a family unit that stays together has a much greater chance of generating stable and balanced children to grow into stable, productive adults. That said I do also think that waiting until you are sure that you choose a partner that will be viable for the long term before having children together helps massively in this respect.
In the absence of good role models children will seek out other influences to fill this need and et viola people like tate gain an audience to be taken advantage of.
Do people consider Tate a role model?I know it is old fashioned but a family unit that stays together has a much greater chance of generating stable and balanced children to grow into stable, productive adults. That said I do also think that waiting until you are sure that you choose a partner that will be viable for the long term before having children together helps massively in this respect.
In the absence of good role models children will seek out other influences to fill this need and et viola people like tate gain an audience to be taken advantage of.
Or do they just buy into his self-improvement chat?
joshcowin said:
The anxiety, depression and suicide rates have gone through the roof. Its not progress at all!
Is this not because we actually acknowledge it now? Rather than 30yrs ago when somebody with depression or anxiety was likely described "nice bloke but not quite the full ticket"g3org3y said:
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dobbo_ said:
AceRockatansky said:
I haven't heard of sexual aggression to describe an offence. I notice they haven't used abuse, so can't involve touching and no mention of harassment so does that mean it was consented until they got in the bedroom and he got all angry.
fking hell. Consent can be withdrawn at any time. I really, really hope you know that.
So consent is withdrawn, he he hasn't tried to rape her, no touching or assault, so what is aggression exactly? Did he bare his teeth?
Has he been found guilty yet? No matter who it is I really despise trial by media. This direction worries me far more, it’s so indiscriminate as well, almost planned in its unplanned nature.
Totally different example, I remember a teacher hitting a horse and it appeared in newspapers/media. She had death threats, lost her job and left her house and I don’t think her life fully recovered. A few weeks later, a famous equestrian personality did the same thing, hardly made the news, all feels a bit strange to me how things are turning out.
Totally different example, I remember a teacher hitting a horse and it appeared in newspapers/media. She had death threats, lost her job and left her house and I don’t think her life fully recovered. A few weeks later, a famous equestrian personality did the same thing, hardly made the news, all feels a bit strange to me how things are turning out.
AceRockatansky said:
So consent is withdrawn, he he hasn't tried to rape her, no touching or assault, so what is aggression exactly? Did he bare his teeth?
Again, are you really asking this? I mean, really? The dude is jacked and is a kickboxing champion. Does he need to touch her? ALSO there is literally video footage of him beating a woman but sure, you do you.Backtobasics2 said:
Has he been found guilty yet? No matter who it is I really despise trial by media. This direction worries me far more, it’s so indiscriminate as well, almost planned in its unplanned nature.
Totally different example, I remember a teacher hitting a horse and it appeared in newspapers/media. She had death threats, lost her job and left her house and I don’t think her life fully recovered. A few weeks later, a famous equestrian personality did the same thing, hardly made the news, all feels a bit strange to me how things are turning out.
That one was even worse in the end, she was cleared of any wrong doing at all in the endTotally different example, I remember a teacher hitting a horse and it appeared in newspapers/media. She had death threats, lost her job and left her house and I don’t think her life fully recovered. A few weeks later, a famous equestrian personality did the same thing, hardly made the news, all feels a bit strange to me how things are turning out.
simon_harris said:
Backtobasics2 said:
Has he been found guilty yet? No matter who it is I really despise trial by media. This direction worries me far more, it’s so indiscriminate as well, almost planned in its unplanned nature.
Totally different example, I remember a teacher hitting a horse and it appeared in newspapers/media. She had death threats, lost her job and left her house and I don’t think her life fully recovered. A few weeks later, a famous equestrian personality did the same thing, hardly made the news, all feels a bit strange to me how things are turning out.
That one was even worse in the end, she was cleared of any wrong doing at all in the endTotally different example, I remember a teacher hitting a horse and it appeared in newspapers/media. She had death threats, lost her job and left her house and I don’t think her life fully recovered. A few weeks later, a famous equestrian personality did the same thing, hardly made the news, all feels a bit strange to me how things are turning out.
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