Racism Hypocrisy
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Glassman said:
plenty said:
Glassman said:
durbster said:
What did your friends say when you asked them this question?
A positive response, and all in agreement because it's a matter of double standards. Not how a bunch of PHers here are reading it. PH: "Sorry mate, looks like you could be, but here's how not to be."
OP: "My mates tell me I'm not, so PH you are wrong. Wrong!"
StevieBee said:
An analogy (a weak one, granted, but).....
Assuming you are White, Anglo Saxon, British, a curiosity of this group is the greeting of peers by means of abuse. If I'm walking through town and someone I know might greet me with something along the lines of "Hey, Stevie, you fat
!, How you doing?". Because they are part of my peer group, this is peculiarly acceptable. Funny, almost. But if someone outside of my peer group greeted me in the same way, my reaction would be entirely different because the context is different...... and I'm not (that) fat!
FTR, I'm not white. My mum is, as were all of her family (one side Scottish, the other from Oxfordshire). My (late) father was from India. He was racist towards his own people but on closer analysis, I think he was intolerant of certain cultures in India which are governed by caste, religion and social standing. If he called a brown person an xyz - in other words, something a white person wouldn't get away with - would he be deemed a racist? This was the basis of starting the thread. Assuming you are White, Anglo Saxon, British, a curiosity of this group is the greeting of peers by means of abuse. If I'm walking through town and someone I know might greet me with something along the lines of "Hey, Stevie, you fat
!, How you doing?". Because they are part of my peer group, this is peculiarly acceptable. Funny, almost. But if someone outside of my peer group greeted me in the same way, my reaction would be entirely different because the context is different...... and I'm not (that) fat!A few year back on holiday in Cuba, I got talking to a chap from Canada.At the bar we were having a bit of a laugh and he seemed to think I was cockney, and I picked up on his almost unique accent and detected a slight Glaswegian twang to it on certain words. I told him my grandad was a sweaty and he took exception to the term. Not so much the rhyming slang, but the reference to 'jock'. He reckoned that if my grandad was alive he would have given me a clip around the ear hole for using the term. Everyone in the village of Marcham (and the MG plant where he worked) knew him as Jock. This guy got put right off and found it difficult to recover.
plenty said:
Glassman said:
plenty said:
Glassman said:
durbster said:
What did your friends say when you asked them this question?
A positive response, and all in agreement because it's a matter of double standards. Not how a bunch of PHers here are reading it. PH: "Sorry mate, looks like you could be, but here's how not to be."
OP: "My mates tell me I'm not, so PH you are wrong. Wrong!"
geeks said:
No, the burden is with you, as someone else who is of mixed race descent (Clan Fraser, ex slave who took his owners surname when the English made slavery illegal, German Jew that escaped Germany the list in my bloodline goes on) I can't remember the last time I rolled my eyes this hard.
In any case, what benefit would being able to use the word bring you? Is it really that much of a hardship to not use it?
You're missing the point. I'm suggesting that if certain words (I started with the n word) are offensive, they should be for anyone to use. In any case, what benefit would being able to use the word bring you? Is it really that much of a hardship to not use it?
In Indian sub cultures, many can hate one another to the point of calling each other very offensive (to anyone else) names. A lot of people from Jamaica I've met, aren't particularly keen on Africans. This is the question.
I grew up through the seventies where if you weren't white, you were a coon,
or wop. Nobody could work out which one I was because I look Greek or Italian. I never had an issue with being called anything by anyone. It's their issue, not mine. geeks said:
No, the burden is with you, as someone else who is of mixed race descent (Clan Fraser, ex slave who took his owners surname when the English made slavery illegal, German Jew that escaped Germany the list in my bloodline goes on) I can't remember the last time I rolled my eyes this hard.
In any case, what benefit would being able to use the word bring you? Is it really that much of a hardship to not use it?
From my point of view, i can see where the OP is coming from, if it's a derogative or predjudicial term, then it should be the same for everyone not just one particular group.In any case, what benefit would being able to use the word bring you? Is it really that much of a hardship to not use it?
As for me personally, i try my best to make sure i never use a term anyone could deem offensive, although these days calling someone "mate" can be classed as offensive.
I think i've said this before on here but racial slurs by British people is nothing new and it can take many forms, i am white yet due to a brain tumour, when i was 17 my skin took on quite a brown pigmentation and people i had known since i was a kid took to calling me the P word as an insult. Of course once the tumour had been removed and my skin lost it's pigmentation, then they wanted to be mates again.....i don't think so.
I hate racism with a passion
gotoPzero said:
I am of Indian descent.
The "P" word is pretty common, in fact I would say very, very common in India.
Its also very common within people from Pakistan, IME.
What ruined it was in the 60s and 70s was d*ck heads who started to use it as an insult.
Its very, very common for people from the "stans" to drop the stan. And replace with "i".
No one says its a problem to call someone from Afghanistan an Afghani.
We dont call it the A word.
People from Afghanistan are not Afghanis, they are Afghans. Afghani is the currency.The "P" word is pretty common, in fact I would say very, very common in India.
Its also very common within people from Pakistan, IME.
What ruined it was in the 60s and 70s was d*ck heads who started to use it as an insult.
Its very, very common for people from the "stans" to drop the stan. And replace with "i".
No one says its a problem to call someone from Afghanistan an Afghani.
We dont call it the A word.
Afghanistan is not "Afghan" despite how lots of my comrades have taken to refer to it.
However "stan" comes from the Persian and Urdu word for "place of" or more literally "a place where ___ abounds".
Pakistan's name was composed of letters taken from the homelands of the people of the country when formed "Panjab, Afgania, kashmir, Sindh, Baluchistan, with a bit of license. "Pak" is pure in Persian.
My Pakistani father referred to himself and his countrymen as
s. Like anything, it is all in the context the word is used.InitialDave said:
Slopes said:
As for me personally, i try my best to make sure i never use a term anyone could deem offensive
Interesting username/post combo
Glassman said:
I grew up through the seventies where if you weren't white, you were a coon, or wop. Nobody could work out which one I was because I look Greek or Italian. I never had an issue with being called anything by anyone. It's their issue, not mine.
room for another on the train? Similar with a dollop of S.E.Asian ancestry mixed in to the genetic fish-soup that is me. Went to Turkey many years ago and the locals kept on speaking to me in Turkish, refusing to believe I wasn't Turkish. Been called the same as you on the insults scale and like you it says more about the insulter (my sister feels differently - the one she really gets annoyed with is "where are you really from"?) or wop. Nobody could work out which one I was because I look Greek or Italian. I never had an issue with being called anything by anyone. It's their issue, not mine. plenty said:
Context is also different between cultures and countries, which is why it might possibly be forgivable (but still deplorable) when an American
it's entirely forgivable when a Yank uses said term as they will not realise that there is a negative connotation to the word. In a similar way that I was surprised to learn that Oriental is, these days, considered abusive.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I'm in my 40's and I can't think of a time when I ever heard the P word used as a term of endearment.
I can - once! Think it was Mike Atherton using the term about enjoying playing the P's in Pakistan on BBC radio many moons ago. By and large though you are correct!!DodgyGeezer said:
I was surprised to learn that Oriental is, these days, considered abusive.
Yeah, that seems to be one of those weird American things, thanks to them using it as a pejorative.It doesn't help that they over use "asian" as a blanket term, and in a different way to how a Brit would.
Obviously the differential is to use "south east asian", but that often feels a bit clumsy.
InitialDave said:
Harry Flashman said:
LF5335 said:
This thread started off at the bottom of the barrel and will now do it’s best to scrape even further, as all the “I’m not a racist, but …” appear on here to have a rant about how good the 1970s were and how people today are just too soft.
Bonus points awarded when the first inbred starts using the terms "snowflake" and "woke" to describe people not as stupid as him.Glassman said:
You're missing the point. I'm suggesting that if certain words (I started with the n word) are offensive, they should be for anyone to use.
https://youtu.be/IYITxGniww4Is this you OP?
Just the other day my dad was telling me his stories of almost getting beaten up by "skinheads" and regularly being called a p**i - this was in 70's London. I'm sure it was used as a term of endearment.
I would argue that the N and the P word being used by the very people it was being used against is a way of owning it's context.
I would argue that the N and the P word being used by the very people it was being used against is a way of owning it's context.
DodgyGeezer said:
it's entirely forgivable when a Yank uses said term as they will not realise that there is a negative connotation to the word. In a similar way that I was surprised to learn that Oriental is, these days, considered abusive.
Yes - the context being the history of East Asians in the US. The UK has a different history, which is why the term doesn't carry the same meaning here (although it's starting to, as we are influenced by our neighbours across the pond.)Sixsixtysix said:
I watched that scene just this morning actually!Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff