Tell us something really trivial about your life Volume 40
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Etlnsdy said:
With ref to
“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Bobbers - you'll need t spray a little wd40 on th trivometer's spring for this.“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Might this be th first (1st) time somebody's 1st (first) post has been on these hallowed pages?
paua said:
Etlnsdy said:
With ref to
“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Bobbers - you'll need t spray a little wd40 on th trivometer's spring for this.“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Might this be th first (1st) time somebody's 1st (first) post has been on these hallowed pages?
Etlnsdy said:
With ref to
“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
We are not worthy!!!
51 months a member and you chose our lowly little corner of tinternet for your 1st, maiden, virginal post!!!
Aaannnndddd, a very impressive 9.9889 on the old Triv-o-meter!!! :now:
Etlnsdy said:
With ref to
“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Yes, had a drink and dinner there on a couple of occasions. Fairman the elder ran a laundry business and at the end of the First World War bought three - if I remember correctly - French Army trucks to use as delivery vehicles for the laundry instead of horse-drawn trucks. Jack used to drive them in his school holidays. When his father was approached by the Police about this misdemeanour, a contribution to the Police Widows Fund made the problem go away. As there was no one to maintain the trucks, the laundry had to do it themselves. This led not only to the establishment of the garage but also a precision engineering firm. Jack was more interested in the vehicles than laundry and had an engineering apprenticeship at Daimler. One of the tasks he undertook was road testing cars. This entry on his CV later led to him testing for many manufacturers though, by his own admission, Queen Mary's Daimler was rather different to the latest sports and racing cars. It got him started though. With fuel still rationed after the war, Jack bought a Bugatti 35 and went hill climbing. He converted the car to run on ethanol and took it to and fro the races in a laundry truck, for which fuel was not rationed. It was hill climbing where he came to the attention of John Wyer who ran the HRG racing team from his garage Monaco Motors. Almost all the HRG team migrated with John Wyer to Aston Martin. At the Nurburgring in 1959, Moss had an 11 second lead and handed the car to Fairman. It started to rain, Jack was baulked by a slower car and came off. Unable to accept help from bystanders or marshals, which would have meant disqualification, Fairman put the car in first and, with the wheels turning, manhandled the car back on to the track. And then had to chase after it. He put his ability to do this down to carrying industrial size laundry baskets up umpteen flights of stairs when he was younger. By the time he got back to the pits Moss was packing up to go home. Moss, in a rage, won the race which contributed to Aston Martin winning the World Sportscar Championship that year. Several people, including me, have had a go at writing his biography. He said his autobiography's opening line would be, "I was born in a kennels." (The site of the laundry business had been a kennels at one time.) That was as far as he got. One of the problems with a biography was his resentment. He was always the support act. He lost his father's business. When he walked into the Steering Wheel Club, team managers left by the fire exit rather than listen to him pleading for a drive. He put my XJS into reverse at 60. He was old by then but I had a flavour of why some avoided him. A man of his time.“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Edited by DickyC on Wednesday 17th April 09:19
DickyC said:
Yes, had a drink and dinner there on a couple of occasions. Fairman the elder ran a laundry business and at the end of the First World War bought three - if I remember correctly - French Army trucks to use as delivery vehicles for the laundry instead of horse-drawn trucks. Jack used to drive them in his school holidays. When his father was approached by the Police about this misdemeanour, a contribution to the Police Widows Fund made the problem go away. As there was no one to maintain the trucks, the laundry had to do it themselves. This led not only to the establishment of the garage but also a precision engineering firm. Jack was more interested in the vehicles than laundry and had an engineering apprenticeship at Daimler. One of the tasks he undertook was road testing cars. This entry on his CV later led to him testing for many manufacturers though, by his own admission, Queen Mary's Daimler was rather different to the latest sports and racing cars. It got him started though. With fuel still rationed after the war, Jack bought a Bugatti 35 and went hill climbing. He converted the car to run on ethanol and took it to and fro the races in a laundry truck, for which fuel was not rationed. It was hill climbing where he came to the attention of John Wyer who ran the HRG racing team from his garage Monaco Motors. Almost all the HRG team migrated with John Wyer to Aston Martin. At the Nurburgring in 1959, Moss had an 11 second lead and handed the car to Fairman. It started to rain, Jack was baulked by a slower car and came off. Unable to accept help from bystanders or marshals, which would have meant disqualification, Fairman put the car in first and, with the wheels turning, manhandled the car back on to the track. And then had to chase after it. He put his ability to do this down to carrying industrial size laundry baskets up umpteen flights of stairs when he was younger. By the time he got back to the pits Moss was packing up to go home. Moss, in a rage, won the race which contributed to Aston Martin winning the World Sportscar Championship that year. Several people, including me, have had a go at writing his biography. He said his autobiography's opening line would be, "I was born in a kennels." (The site of the laundry business had been a kennels at one time.) That was as far as he got. One of the problems with a biography was his resentment. He was always the support act. He lost his father's business. When he walked into the Steering Wheel Club, team managers left by the fire exit rather than listen to him pleading for a drive. He put my XJS into reverse at 60. He was old by then but I had a flavour of why some avoided him. A man of his time.
Where's the like button?Edited by DickyC on Wednesday 17th April 09:19
hammo19 said:
paua said:
Etlnsdy said:
With ref to
“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Bobbers - you'll need t spray a little wd40 on th trivometer's spring for this.“The FF Formula 1 car was developed with Jack Fairman as test driver. Jack had an undistinguished racing career but did race a lot. He was also, because of similarities in their size, was frequently Moss's co-driver. He drove Moss mad. He wasn't as fast and he had mechanical sympathy which Moss didn't. Jack helped develop the Ferguson and expected to race it. At the last minute, they replaced Fairman with Moss. Moss knew nothing of racing 4WD and did not perform well. The project was soon abandoned. Jack was still sore about it decades later.”
There is a Wetherspoon’s pub called The Jack Fairman in Horley, Surrey. It was once a car showroom owned by the Fairman family.
Might this be th first (1st) time somebody's 1st (first) post has been on these hallowed pages?
Byker28i said:
The Peoples Front of Trivton Duck Pond Preservation? Splitters, we're the Trivton Duck Pond Preservation Peoples Front.
Whatever happened to the Popular front?
She became upset with the constant over-zealous male attention and became something of a recluse, moving to the new gated development of flats over in Trivhampton Magna.Whatever happened to the Popular front?
Pity really, they were a lovely set of jubblies and no mistake.
paua said:
Ah've a meeting in th Capital (Wellywood) 2morro - will be zooming rather than travelling.
G'morneve chaps
42S
Zooming? That's travelling at the speed of light, paua! G'morneve chaps
42S
https://youtu.be/cChdC4TgE-U?si=FLIV5S491Og-kLsQ
Morning All. Still a trifle wibbly-wobbly this morning but managed to enjoy a respectable breakfast. I'll take that as a good sign.
My old man knew Moss S . quite well. I didn't like him. (Moss, I mean; I did like my old man).
I thought him very rude.
His sister Pat was lovely though.
Wood-butchery today. The Memsahib has requested a small footstool.
My old man knew Moss S . quite well. I didn't like him. (Moss, I mean; I did like my old man).
I thought him very rude.
His sister Pat was lovely though.
Wood-butchery today. The Memsahib has requested a small footstool.
glenrobbo said:
60 isn't old, Dicky. 
Etlnsday is a rare day that only comes around
twice every 51 months.
Top lurking indeed.
I wonder if he'd be interested in joining our undercover team?( After he/she/they have been properly vetted of course.)
Wouldn't a couple of vaccinations do?
Error_404_Username_not_found said:
Isn't that a trifle severe, Glenners?
Wouldn't a couple of vaccinations do?
I had trifle last night. We buy the individual ones and i scrape the cream off because of me old ticker. There were two left and yesterday was the Best Before Date. Solution? Binocular Trifles.Wouldn't a couple of vaccinations do?
Yes.
The Binocular Trifles.
I preferred their earlier acoustic stuff.
You always use that joke.
I don't have a team of writers. It's just me. I recycle.
Error_404_Username_not_found said:
glenrobbo said:
60 isn't old, Dicky. Etlnsday is a rare day that only comes around
twice every 51 months.
Top lurking indeed.
I wonder if he'd be interested in joining our undercover team?( After he/she/they have been properly vetted of course.)
Wouldn't a couple of vaccinations do?
We can't be too careful with such matters, _404. We know from past experience what can happen if we overlook the fine detail...
It may be just a small thing, but the ramifications of letting it slip through could potentially be enormous!
Edited by glenrobbo on Wednesday 17th April 11:24
Error_404_Username_not_found said:
Morning All. Still a trifle wibbly-wobbly this morning but managed to enjoy a respectable breakfast. I'll take that as a good sign.
My old man knew Moss S . quite well. I didn't like him. (Moss, I mean; I did like my old man).
I thought him very rude.
His sister Pat was lovely though.
Wood-butchery today. The Memsahib has requested a small footstool.
Wibbly-wobbly trifle? I call "Custard" on this!My old man knew Moss S . quite well. I didn't like him. (Moss, I mean; I did like my old man).
I thought him very rude.
His sister Pat was lovely though.
Wood-butchery today. The Memsahib has requested a small footstool.
I have always associated "wibbly-wobbly" with jelly and/or blancmange.
/ Living on the Ceiling...
Stirling Moss was at the NEC Classic Car Show a few years back for an autograph signing session. There was quite a long queue, so I didn't bother.
I couldn't understand why Stirling Moss wanted so many autographs anyway.
Strange man.
Edited by glenrobbo on Wednesday 17th April 11:36
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