Prison?

[crofty1984]

Davi said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

Adenauer said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

Seriously write it up and submit it to the Times. If you make any money on it, give it to the biker who got hurt, maybe?

Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 25th September 13:48

It's probably something youngs lads just about to leave school should be made to read, so maybe not The Times?

Good point. Maybe MAX Power might print it!

very good idea.

That's what I was thinking. a car mag, Max power, Redline, Evo, Top Gear. Perhaps an FHM type thing. Not to make money out of it, but I should think a young lad just passing his driving test could do with a warning of what could happen, not if you intentionally decide to commit a crime, but what can happen if you just make one silly f**king mistake and overcook it (as we've all done I'm sure) at the wrong place, wrong time. I reckon a publication like that printing your diary would stop at least one of these kind of accidends. And that's got to be a good thing.

[BigAlinEmbra]

10p, excellent writing. I think everyone that's visited the thread has been impressed with the eloquence and honesty of your diaries.

I can only echo what everyone else has said about seriously considering getting the diary published in some form. If the proceeds get divvied up between the motorcyclist/road safety campaigns/some sort of post prison rehab charities then it can only be a good thing.

If reading the book makes one person slow down and think whilst they're in "the wrong place at the wrong time" as both you and the biker were, then that alone is probably worth the effort.

[ClassyChassis]

I've just read all this and nothing particularly constructive to say, other than 'blimey'.
10 pence, you definitely have a good writing style, although I am partial to things written as a stream of thought (since if I write for myself, this is how I do it). Glad things have moved on since having to be in such a weird place, and I really really don't know what else to say.

[Schmalex]

10P. That is the first thread I have actually sat down & read all the way through on PH – totally absorbing. I echo what the others have said about trying to get it published. If reading your account makes 1 person drive a little slower than they might & avoid such an accident, that has to be a good thing.

[Vesuvius 996]

I think we've ALL slowed down a bit as a result of 10p's misfortune.

It certainly in the back of my mind when I squeeze the loud pedal these days.

[killerm5]

Hmmm sobering thoughts indeed.

I have a million questions going through my mind about the original incident but I don't think they're appropriate as it's all done and dusted now..

Thank you for sharing your diaries.. I lost myself reading them.

[Ecks Ridgehead]

lazyitus said:

10p -

Just a note of caution. I think I'm right in saying that Pistonheads has a copywrite attachment. So I'd seek some advice from mods before you start writing all your words down on here.

Copyright always remains with the author, no matter where or how the words are published.

Plus at the bottom of every thread there's a disclaimer that says "All messages express the views of the poster, and neither Haymarket nor PistonHeads will be held responsible for the content of any message.
We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message."

[Gizmo535]

10 Pence Short said:

1) To what degree was the motorcyclist contributory (if any) eg by going round the bend too fast?

The motorcyclist did absolutely nothing wrong. There was a full accident investigation unit at the scene (the road was closed for 5 hours to measure up and photograph). They estimated that his speed was between 30 and 60 mph. He was measured to have had only 36 metres to see my vehicle blocking the road (and still moving slowly towards him), react and brake. Even at the lower end of that scale, he wouldn't have enough time to have braked and avoided my car. From memory they deduced that he had between 1.1 and 2.2 seconds to react. He was not 'on a jolly', he was travelling from his home to a holiday cottage in the lakes.

He was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could easily have been a car or even a truck coming the other way. Sadly for him, it was a vulnerable motorbike.

Firstly thanks for being so candid and writing so well, I'm looking forward to further instalments. There but for the grace of various deities go us all - and I'm sure nearly all of us have had close shaves and 'what if' moments occasionally.

But I have to ask... of course the rider was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And I think you were just about still moving, so that would affect it. However the over-riding rule should surely be that you should always be able to stop within the distance you can see to be clear? What if there was a fallen tree where your car was? A straw bale, sofa, or something else that had fallen off a truck? A deer or escaped cow? Even a car parked there for whatever reason (we've all seen cars stopped for stupid reasons on twisty roads).

[10 Pence Short]

Hoorah!

Today's the last day of my curfew. Good bye tag, good bye having to be home by 9pm.

Just in time for the Rugger tomorrow.

[lady topaz]

Congrats, bet you now want to put it all behind you.
However, I reckon there are a fair few here who would wish you to continue to tell of your experiences. Thats if you wish to. Anyway, good luck.

[Vesuvius 996]

10 Pence Short said:

Hoorah!

Today's the last day of my curfew. Good bye tag, good bye having to be home by 9pm.

Just in time for the Rugger tomorrow.

Good lad.

You've earned a lot of respect on here for the way you've handled this, and I for one have moderated my driving as a direct result.

For that, and for yout thoughful posts, thanks buddy, and good luck for the footur.

[wolves_wanderer]

Probably the best thread I've ever read on here.

[Griff Bitch]

Only read the thread today, very well written.

Enjoy your weekend.

[adamharrisuk]

Very interesting thread! First time i have read a thread from the start to the finish on PH. Today was the first time i read the thread and noticed today was the date your having your tag off.

[bob1179]

This is probably one of the most powerful threads I've read on PH. I spend a lot of time hooning about North Lancashire and The Lakes and I've had had a couple of 'Oh shit!' moments.

10 Pence Short, I really think you've done a lot on here by writing down your experiences. I will think a lot harder before putting my foot down and I will take it a little easier in future.

As has been said, you've earned a lot of respect on here for taking it on the chin and admitting your error, you also have my respect too.

Bob

[tim2100]

This is the first time I have read a thread throughout.

I know a few people who have spent time in prison. All but one do not seem to enjoy talking about their experiences. Coincidently that one has recently gone back inside.

10p reading your posts is very sobering, I know that I have been out in car & on bike and after getting out/off thinking that I was very close to the edge of the envelope. It doesn't take much to cross onto the other side. I for one will be thinking about that and it will be slowing me down a touch.

Thanks for your diary.

[clemens]

tim2100 said:

This is the first time I have read a thread throughout.

I know a few people who have spent time in prison. All but one do not seem to enjoy talking about their experiences. Coincidently that one has recently gone back inside.

10p reading your posts is very sobering, I know that I have been out in car & on bike and after getting out/off thinking that I was very close to the edge of the envelope. It doesn't take much to cross onto the other side. I for one will be thinking about that and it will be slowing me down a touch.

Thanks for your diary.

Sounds like you've got interesting friends!

Call me innocent but I don't know anyone that's been banged up.

[bob1179]

clemens said:

tim2100 said:

This is the first time I have read a thread throughout.

I know a few people who have spent time in prison. All but one do not seem to enjoy talking about their experiences. Coincidently that one has recently gone back inside.

10p reading your posts is very sobering, I know that I have been out in car & on bike and after getting out/off thinking that I was very close to the edge of the envelope. It doesn't take much to cross onto the other side. I for one will be thinking about that and it will be slowing me down a touch.

Thanks for your diary.

Sounds like you've got interesting friends!

Call me innocent but I don't know anyone that's been banged up.

A friend of mine was sent to prison for theft. He ended up going to Doncaster. He was only in for a short time and I remember going to visit him. I found it quite a scary experience and I really don't fancy going there myself. The most suprising thing was all the chavs and chavettes giving prison officers grief, my friend and I just sat there keeping our mouths shut and doing as we were told.

It was also interesting as we ended up getting talking to one person in the waiting room and she was telling us all about her 'fella' and how it was his third or fourth time inside for driving offences, I seem to think it was drink driving this time around and how neither she or he really gave a 'toss' about it.

It was an odd experience to be honest, but did allow me to see a side of life a lot of us probably don't get to see.

[MisfitBoyz]

I did six months about 12 years ago.
First week in a grotty Victorian dump with all manner of humanity.
You quickly learn not to make eye contact first or ask the wrong questions.
You are stripped and showered upon your arrival and then given prison shirts, bedding etc.
A warder then leads you to your cell, which will be with another prisoner.
Luckily, mine was OK, and we got on well. He even came from the same town.
The hardened lot (armed robbers, murderers etc) tend to be well respected. You stay clear of them, unless they speak first.
Luckily, both me and my cellmate got transferred to an open nick after one week.
First month in a dormatory with about 20 others. You need to be able to get on. Good bed, good showers and three good meals a day. I actually put on half a stone.
You are given a job after about 2 weeks. Mine was working in the laundry. Very hot and smelly, not to mention boring. But, you got a few quid a week to spend on food, coffee etc.
You get a lot of time to think while you are in there. Very sobering.
After about one month you get family visits, which are the thing that keeps you going.
I was released after three months, due to good behaviour. Believe me though, it feels like double that.
A very sobering experience and one which definitely reforms you.

[pikey]

Interesting stuff.